Aug. 25, 2025

The Life of Gen Z Entrepreneur with Savannah Brister (Spoiler Alert: It’s Not As Easy As Tik Tix Makes it Look

The Life of Gen Z Entrepreneur with Savannah Brister (Spoiler Alert: It’s Not As Easy As Tik Tix Makes it Look

Send us a text In this candid conversation, Ruth Abigail welcomes back musician Savannah Brister to discuss the realities of Gen Z, information overload, and navigating creative entrepreneurship in today's digital landscape. • How Gen Z is perceived: either as exciting innovators or as the generation that will "take us down" • The overwhelming nature of constant information and how it affects mental health • Breaking free from phone dependency and the benefits of digital boundaries • The ext...

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In this candid conversation, Ruth Abigail welcomes back musician Savannah Brister to discuss the realities of Gen Z, information overload, and navigating creative entrepreneurship in today's digital landscape.

• How Gen Z is perceived: either as exciting innovators or as the generation that will "take us down"
• The overwhelming nature of constant information and how it affects mental health
• Breaking free from phone dependency and the benefits of digital boundaries
• The extensive behind-the-scenes work that goes into creative success
• Understanding the raised "floor" of knowledge that Gen Z begins with
• Balancing ambitious career goals with long-term life planning
• The importance of letting young people fail as a crucial learning process
• How anxiety manifests differently in younger generations due to information overload

Check out Savannah's music on savannahbrister.com and on all social media platforms - she just dropped a new album!


00:00 - Reuniting with Savannah Brister

03:15 - Gen Z: Expectations vs Reality

06:13 - Information Overload and Digital Fatigue

13:30 - Behind the Music: Savannah's Journey

21:30 - The True Work Behind Success

32:00 - Balancing Ambition with Time Perspective

45:20 - Unlearning About Gen Z

54:00 - Connecting Through Anxiety and Closing Thoughts

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and welcome once again to the unlearned podcast.

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I am your host, ruth abigail aka ra, and this is the podcast that is helping you gain the courage to change your mind so that you can experience more freedom.

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And if you couldn't tell by the giggle, um, um, you just heard we are going to have have a lot of fun today.

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This is take two, baby.

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This is take two y'all Like.

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If you've been rocking with us for the last three years, you remember this voice and this face of Savannah Brister.

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Hello, my friend.

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Hello, my friend.

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You were number.

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Were you the first episode?

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No, you were the second.

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I think, like you were the second, you were one or two man, like I said whoa we are jumping in the, I mean you you came and you, like, were like sure, I don't know what I'm doing, you don't know what you're doing, we're going to do something, let's do it together.

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Like that's crazy that was three years ago, man.

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We were, I don't know.

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We talked about.

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We were talking about personality.

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We talked about people pleasing.

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We did, we did how you doing with that.

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Sure, sure, very good.

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Yeah, Understood, I totally understand that.

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I totally understand that.

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Um, well, man, it's good to have you back on the show.

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Thanks for having me, and we are.

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So you're coming back to talk about your generation.

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This is going to be fun.

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And I always forget yes, very much.

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So I ain't going to lie to you.

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I always forget how I forget how far apart we are in age.

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Much so I ain't gonna lie to you.

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I always forget how I forget how far apart we are in age.

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I think it's either because you are older than you really are inside or I'm younger than I really am inside.

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I think it might because I am a 12 year old and it's so.

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We kind of meet in the middle and I always forget, like, but you've done so much and you have, like, just um, you have this maturity about you and this discipline and this drive and this like determination to say like I'm going after this thing, I'm going after what I want, like it's wild, so, um.

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So, for those of you that don't know, she is a recording artist.

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She is all in on music.

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Savannah, how old are you?

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She is Okay.

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You've been doing music for how long?

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Professionally?

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Okay.

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So so she, yeah, all right, so you're just, you're just weird, okay.

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So, yeah, yeah, that's, that's insane.

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So so you know, know, as far as so, we talk a lot about gen z and people talk about what?

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What do you hear people talking about?

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Y'all, like, how do you hear them talk about people, your age?

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young with the snapples?

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Um, that's no, definitely not that.

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Um, I like two sides.

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I think there's one side where people are like oh, there's this really cool generation coming in and they're excited for life and they've got creativity and they've got ambition and they're rolling and they love the lord and blah, blah, blah.

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And then there's a complete.

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There's no middle, there's a complete, there's no middle.

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There's a completely other group that's like these fools are going to take us down, end of the world.

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And we didn't raise them well, so we're all screwed.

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So it's literally everyone's great.

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Y'all suck, that's so it's literally Y'all suck.

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That is, honestly, one of the most accurate descriptions that I think I've heard.

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Like that, you're not wrong.

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Like it is either like I'm so excited about this generation or we are in trouble.

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Like, yeah, and I ain't gonna lie, I've been on both sides of that argument.

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I ain't gonna lie to you, it really depends on who you're talking to.

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I mean, there are some people in their twenties that you're just like I don't know how you're going to make it in this world.

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I don't understand, I don't know how, and I really hope you're okay, like and.

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And then there are some that's like who are you?

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Where'd you come from?

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Like you like, who are you?

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Like, how did?

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How are you here, right, um, I, I, I think that's, I think that's.

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I think that's really interesting.

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I think that this generation has.

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I think one of the things that people, um, find it hard to understand about this generation and tell me, tell me if you agree or not uh, is is the that the level of things that they are exposed to it really they're so far ahead of in a lot of ways, knowledge-wise, right, you, you, you kind of come into this, into the world, with so much more knowledge than any other generation we've ever had.

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And yet, of course, like any younger generation, the experience just isn't there yet, just because of time.

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Like I mean, you know what I'm saying.

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You know you haven't lived when you're 15, you haven't lived a long time, but you know more than any other 15 year old has ever known what.

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How do you manage that?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, I'm so glad you brought that up.

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I think I think a lot of people um.

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There's just so much more information than I think the lord ever meant for us I agree there's so much more.

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It's very overwhelming, um, and so, yeah, I just think to have people that are older than us to have the grace to understand whoa.

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Like they didn't go outside and play for six hours a day.

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They are stuck in a room staring at 50 other people that are doing life so much better than them.

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Wow.

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And it's just a lot to take in.

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I don't know how, if you aren't incredibly mature, I don't know how you can handle it.

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Um so it's just.

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It's just hard.

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There have been.

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I have made so many jokes One of these days I might about throwing my phone in the pond and just getting a flip phone, because half of me is like I don't.

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Even I, you're like I'm addicted to it, but I also don't want it.

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Yep, yes, 100%.

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I wonder if I'm the only person who found out about my grandma.

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But I'm like I found even he like literally just lets people email him at this point.

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He doesn't let people call.

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Oh, that's, that's amazing.

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It's like here's my email and if you really know me, you know where I live.

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Oh that's I, I I have, I have all the respect for that.

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When I I I get home and I put my phone in my room on the charger and I just go away, it's just like I just gotta go away.

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I don't, I don't want to know and I, if, if, like my husband, he'll, I'll just say hey.

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If he's not home, it's like, hey, like, just so you know, my phone is not next to me, like, so, if I get, if it takes me a while to get back, I'm okay, I'm good.

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I just don't have my phone, right, um, and but cause it's so freeing, I just it's too much.

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And this is I didn't grow up with a phone, right, I didn't grow up with that access.

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So I feel like it is, I'm trying to.

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There's a piece of me that's trying to get back to what it felt like to not be that.

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But for people who are in your age range, there's no real knowledge of that.

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Right, like it's been technology and that's been the.

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So it's like it's like it's weird.

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It sounds like you're craving something you've never really even gotten a chance to experience.

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That's weird, that's gotta be weird I recently.

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I just got um a real alarm clock for the first time in my life, because it's always, it's always been this wow I was like I really I am trying to like do what you did and like putting it in a different room and I always had to sleep next to it because who's gonna get up without it?

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And I I got a real alarm clock and I've been plugging it up in my kitchen and leaving it.

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It is a lot is life-changing.

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That's huge savannah dude.

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I'm just that's huge one to me throwing it in a pond so it just takes so much discipline to do that, like to be able to say I'm gonna get a real alarm clock.

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What triggered that for you?

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Like what was it?

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Was it a particular moment that was like I can't do this anymore?

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I've been going down so many health rabbit holes lately, and I was hearing about the EMF exposure on our phones.

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Which goodness like we could go down that rabbit hole too.

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What is hold on?

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First of all, what is EMF?

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I don't even know what that is.

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That's a good question.

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I don't know what it stands for.

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Okay, great electric magnetic fields.

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Maybe that makes sense.

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We'll go with that.

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I'm gonna pretend that I'm smart right now I'm really not.

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We both know that, but apparently the closer this is to your body, the worse it is for you.

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And so they're saying it's messing with our sleep because all of us are sleeping next to our phones.

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Oh, that's true.

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It's getting like.

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It's just really bad for us.

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Oh, I'm freaked out now because I totally do.

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I fall asleep watching stuff on my phone.

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This is bad, yeah, dude, oh, no, yeah, okay, oh, I fall asleep watching stuff on my phone.

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This is bad, yeah, dude, oh, no, yeah, okay, oh.

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I can send you stuff.

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I don't want it, I don't want it, I don't want it.

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We're going to blame you.

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Nope, oh man, but see, okay, the knowledge thing.

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So, like you find this information out, yeah, you're.

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You find this information out, yeah, you're right.

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Yeah, you know I'm saying but it's a good, it's not bad, because it's like yo, that's actually a good, that's good to know.

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But, at the same time, who wants to know all that like, yeah, it's a lot.

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It's a lot, it's overwhelming.

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Yeah, it's overwhelming, yeah yeah, no, okay, well, okay, hold on, that's really no.

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You know what, though, let's, let's talk about that, because if I uh, what's the term crash out?

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If I hear that one more time I'm going to crash out, I I've come to hate that term, but that is a term that I hear all the time.

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Like that is the new term.

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Like crash out.

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Yeah, like I'm, I'm done, I can't take it.

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I gotta be totally honest with you.

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Some of the things that I hear people say they're going to crash out about is, like, really, is it that bad?

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Like I know that sounds terrible, but I just it's just so interesting, how, how, how the hairpin is so you know, it's so thin, it just takes very little Right, um, what, what?

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Talk to me about that.

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Are you, do you experience that?

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Like is that something you, I think?

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there have been moments I'm just I'm going to talk like we're going to get vulnerable moments.

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I'm just I'm gonna talk like we're gonna get vulnerable.

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I'm gonna talk from my own experience.

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Yeah, I.

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I think it's very easy in this day and age to like if you're working, you're working, you're doing 15 different things.

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You go home, you throw on the tv because you just want to shut your brain off yeah and I don't.

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I think there's a level of that that's okay, and then I think there's a level of that that's okay, and then I think there's a level of that that can get um unhealthy when you're like trying to numb every other thing out there, and I did have a conversation with the Lord.

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There was one day my brain was just like 50 different places I had my phone out.

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I had my laptop out, I had the TV on and I felt the lord, like you should just turn everything off.

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I was like man you're right yeah and it's just like it's just a lot of information overload.

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No matter if it's good, bad fiction, it's just a lot of information.

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It's a lot to put in our brains and for us to hear and see.

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And and then I I don't know about you, I know for me quiet is hard, it's so hard to sit and just let it be like if I'm if I'm trying to get some quiet time, I'm gonna want to throw on some instrumental music and I was like, why do we need that?

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yeah, yeah, we just listen to nothing, just nothing, just let it be.

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It's hard, it's not.

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That's hard, it's not, it's not easy.

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I, I find it harder when I'm still in quiet.

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Now I can be moving and it'd be quiet and I'm good.

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Yes, now, being just still and quiet, that's definitely hard and I, I don't find myself doing that very often.

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I tell you what our um, our uh mutual great friend, uh Megan, who's been on the podcast several times, megan Broadstreet, y'all know her, no, megan Steele, I'm wrong.

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She just got married.

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I know, I say the same thing.

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She's still Megan Broadstreet on my phone.

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I'm about to say she might still be that on my phone, but she had us.

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She did a silent retreat, she did a retreat with my staff at Angel Street.

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Did she tell, yes, yes, and for the first kind of like activity we did, one of the first big activities we did was a silent retreat, and so we did five hours five, 7, 30 to 12, 30 and we had to get up, couldn't go to sleep.

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Um, it's five hours and we were all in the same house.

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Wasn't that big of a house, but it was a nice space.

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We were at a lake house.

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You couldn't phones, had to be away, you couldn't talk to each other for five hours.

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A long time.

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It's a long time, and I had most of my team is under 30, so they're around your age and when we first told them that boy, they rebelled.

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They were like oh no, no, what To do, what there's no way.

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Like they're freaking out.

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And I kind of prepped Megan for it.

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I was like I don't think that they're going to take this well, but she did a fantastic job and really set us up for it and all of this.

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And by the end of it, I mean we had people in tears.

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People had written songs, I mean really good songs, you know people had.

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I mean, we had several tears.

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I mean just forced to think about things that you drown out all the time, right, and to deal with stuff that you don't normally want to deal with.

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And it was really a beautiful thing.

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It was a beautiful vulnerable moment for the whole team.

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We all were just like it was hard.

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It was hard but then it became refreshing.

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You know, um, we just took the girls um on a retreat last week and uh it they kind of last minute came up with a.

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They were like, instead of doing one of the activities we're going to do, say you know what, instead of doing that of the activities we're going to do.

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So you know what, instead of doing that, why don't we do the silent thing with them?

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So the same ones who were not happy about it led teenagers and doing the same thing, um, and it was really cool to see that, really beautiful, and we didn't do it for five hours, we did it for three, um, and gave them a little bit more leeway because they're 15.

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That's a lot, but it was the same response.

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It's got to be hard, especially in this stage of life.

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You've got so much energy.

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You're going after what you want.

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Um, you're, you know you're.

00:17:27.383 --> 00:17:28.546
This is the time.

00:17:28.546 --> 00:17:39.622
This is the time to do all the things, but you also have to slow down and you have to be quiet, right, like, how, how do you manage that at this stage of your life?

00:17:39.622 --> 00:17:50.756
And what is it that you feel like older adults need to understand the difficulty of that.

00:17:50.756 --> 00:17:55.811
Like we like to advise younger adults on a lot of stuff.

00:17:55.811 --> 00:18:02.190
It's like we got to do this, got to make sure to do this, and it's sometimes I know, you know, right, you get it all the time.

00:18:02.339 --> 00:18:05.942
Oh, yeah, all the time and that's not parents, that's not just parents.

00:18:05.942 --> 00:18:12.267
I mean, parents are one thing, but all the others, right, everybody wants to tell you what you need to be doing, right, everybody.

00:18:12.267 --> 00:18:15.401
And but it's like how do you like?

00:18:15.401 --> 00:18:18.503
Okay, cool guys, but this is what you need to know.

00:18:18.503 --> 00:18:19.526
Tell us what we need to know.

00:18:21.428 --> 00:18:28.756
I think, um, I used to at point have a—I would sing at Hope.

00:18:28.756 --> 00:18:37.005
I would sing at Hope Saturday nights, do rehearsal sing.

00:18:37.005 --> 00:18:41.778
Sunday morning rehearsal sing, and then I would have a four-hour gig on Beale Street right after.

00:18:41.778 --> 00:18:48.402
I didn't know how to communicate at the time, that was around—I think.

00:18:48.422 --> 00:18:48.883
I was 19 20.

00:18:49.022 --> 00:18:50.125
Yeah, never, ever will do that again.

00:18:50.125 --> 00:18:55.138
Yeah, um, but I remember I would always hop in the car.

00:18:55.138 --> 00:19:18.407
Granted, I have done so much output and input for 48 hours, it's in my constant and I know I'd always get in the car Cause I drive with my parents to Beale street and immediately my dad would be like asking me it's like a freaking talk show and he's just asking me 50 questions and I would get to this point where I'm like I can't talk anymore.

00:19:18.407 --> 00:19:22.169
I don't have anything left to give you.

00:19:22.169 --> 00:19:24.346
Like there's, I don't even have a voice.

00:19:24.465 --> 00:19:41.057
Now, right, and don't have anything left to give you like there's, I don't even have a voice now, right, and I think I went around the world to tell, tell you that I think again to just have grace for like, the amount of information and output that's happening all of the time for people my age.

00:19:41.057 --> 00:19:53.433
If they're doing, if they're all of us are performers at this point everyone's on it, everyone's dancing and doing their thing and it's just, it's just a lot.

00:19:53.433 --> 00:20:06.362
And then you, you post whatever you're going to post and you sing whatever you're going to sing and you leave and you're like, oh my gosh, I didn't do this, this, this, this right, so-and-so said, this didn't look right and you have all this negativity in your brain.

00:20:06.803 --> 00:20:09.169
Then the other side is having tons of positivity.

00:20:09.169 --> 00:20:09.951
So then you're like crap.

00:20:09.951 --> 00:20:14.890
I gotta do more of that yeah please the people that'll again the podcast.

00:20:14.890 --> 00:20:18.064
I gotta go back and listen, uh-huh, and so it's just too much.

00:20:18.064 --> 00:20:40.694
So I think I really come a little closer to the mic hi, I really would love to see some space and grace for just understanding.

00:20:40.694 --> 00:20:43.396
This looks completely different than it did 20 years ago.

00:20:43.537 --> 00:20:43.758
Wow.

00:20:44.019 --> 00:20:49.557
It's a completely, it's flipped, it's done a 360 180 yeah, it's 180.

00:20:49.617 --> 00:20:54.566
You're right, you got it right um, so I don't know.

00:20:54.625 --> 00:21:01.520
I think, um, yeah, I don't know, I'm rambling no, I think that's, I think that's so good, I.

00:21:01.520 --> 00:21:04.405
So how then?

00:21:04.405 --> 00:21:09.214
Is it because you, you have people, that, okay, how do you like receiving?

00:21:09.214 --> 00:21:12.711
What is your preference in receiving information?

00:21:12.711 --> 00:21:16.410
And what I mean by that is we all have to learn.

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I mean like learning.

00:21:17.451 --> 00:21:19.846
So, like to your point, I mean, yeah, you're always.

00:21:19.846 --> 00:21:28.626
It's like, yeah, we're always getting this, and so you have real people, right, so you're getting all this information.

00:21:28.626 --> 00:21:31.548
A lot of it is coming from devices.

00:21:31.548 --> 00:21:33.846
If it was my, is that okay?

00:21:33.846 --> 00:21:47.513
Then you have real people that you also need to be receiving information from, because you know life and you know and and learning and experience and relationships and all this stuff.

00:21:47.513 --> 00:21:51.828
So how, what?

00:21:51.828 --> 00:21:52.892
What would you say?

00:21:52.892 --> 00:22:01.275
It's like okay, person in their forties who I highly respect and want to hear from.

00:22:01.275 --> 00:22:04.971
This is the best way to get it to me.

00:22:08.963 --> 00:22:09.345
I do.

00:22:09.345 --> 00:22:14.153
I find myself listening to a lot of podcasts because it's something I can do on the go.

00:22:14.153 --> 00:22:15.382
I don't have to watch it.

00:22:16.545 --> 00:22:25.811
I can listen to it in the car or when I'm doing stuff around the house and it feels like a little bit more productive than, like, listening to music.

00:22:25.811 --> 00:22:29.550
Yeah, so I was like, ok, I'm getting something done.

00:22:29.550 --> 00:22:32.544
So I was like, okay, I'm getting something done.

00:22:32.544 --> 00:22:44.126
I say podcasting, like you're going to find a lot of people my age there, yeah, so that would be a good space to like.

00:22:44.126 --> 00:22:47.212
If you have wisdom to share, yeah, go for it.

00:22:47.212 --> 00:22:52.074
You're going to have an audience.

00:22:52.074 --> 00:22:56.203
I'm a grandma, so I'm here for the face-to-face.

00:22:56.203 --> 00:22:58.028
Yes, such a I'm like, but I know not a lot of people are like me.

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I'm weird, so I don't know.

00:23:00.798 --> 00:23:09.084
I think a lot of people are starting to be like that for real, like yeah my mom gets mad at me all the time because I always facetime her instead of calling her.

00:23:09.084 --> 00:23:11.588
Oh, and she's like why do you want to look at me?

00:23:11.588 --> 00:23:13.272
And I'm like it's your face.

00:23:13.272 --> 00:23:17.863
I like seeing your face.

00:23:17.863 --> 00:23:19.805
That's amazing.

00:23:19.805 --> 00:23:22.449
I don't know, I don't read a ton.

00:23:22.449 --> 00:23:28.516
A little bit I'll listen to audio books, but yeah, that's good.

00:23:47.819 --> 00:23:51.626
I think it's good for people to hear and I think it's also important that older adults need to unlearn that younger adults don't want to learn Like.

00:23:51.626 --> 00:23:52.086
That's not the truth.

00:23:52.086 --> 00:23:54.932
It's not that they don't want to learn, but it's different Like, and you have to go about it in a different way.

00:23:54.932 --> 00:23:55.933
I want to go back to the performer thing.

00:23:55.933 --> 00:23:57.416
All right, I want to talk a little bit about where you are in your career.

00:23:57.416 --> 00:23:57.938
Okay, because you are.

00:23:57.938 --> 00:24:07.811
You are living the dream that a lot of young people especially young people that I deal with, who want to, and young girls who are interested in the arts and they want to do all the things, creativity, wise.

00:24:07.811 --> 00:24:10.063
You're living the dream.

00:24:10.063 --> 00:24:11.846
You're, you're doing that.

00:24:11.846 --> 00:24:18.549
You're no, you're doing it, you're doing it and you're doing it Like you said.

00:24:18.549 --> 00:24:22.584
You started when you were 14, 14, 15, 14, 15.

00:24:23.265 --> 00:24:32.969
Um, so, the last 10 years you've been on this path and to your, you know, very different than when I was 14 or 15.

00:24:32.969 --> 00:24:36.109
And I would have if I, if that was the path I was going on.

00:24:36.109 --> 00:24:38.019
I mean, we're talking about night and day difference.

00:24:38.019 --> 00:24:39.961
This is completely different, right?

00:24:39.961 --> 00:24:40.742
Um?

00:24:40.742 --> 00:25:01.569
And so, within 10 years, this journey of becoming a creative and sharing my talent and gift with the world, entrepreneurial, all this stuff with just within 10 years, has just completely changed.

00:25:01.569 --> 00:25:09.481
Um, I just and we're seeing it all in real time I think that's one of the biggest shifts, right?

00:25:09.481 --> 00:25:10.903
Um, I think that's one of the biggest shifts, right?

00:25:10.923 --> 00:25:16.883
You know, we didn't with I'm trying to think of somebody Chris Brown.

00:25:16.883 --> 00:25:18.724
Chris Brown, I guess, is around my age at this point.

00:25:18.724 --> 00:25:27.134
When he first came out, we knew him and we saw him, but we didn't see his journey in real time like that coming up.

00:25:27.134 --> 00:25:32.906
Bow Wow, that was my guy.

00:25:32.906 --> 00:25:34.693
Right, we are about the same age, right?

00:25:34.693 --> 00:25:39.268
We didn't see little bow wow, like all his, you know.

00:25:39.268 --> 00:25:44.221
We didn't see what he had for breakfast, we didn't see what his daily routine was.

00:25:44.221 --> 00:25:59.843
We didn't see him just acting a fool on the camera, unless you got, like a behind the scenes video that you picked up at the c, you wouldn't see any of that, so he had the benefit of a private life as a performer.

00:25:59.883 --> 00:26:02.247
Today, that's not a reality.

00:26:02.247 --> 00:26:06.554
You don't get a private life as a performer or else you're not going to be a performer.

00:26:06.554 --> 00:26:11.409
You have to be out there.

00:26:11.409 --> 00:26:16.199
In light of everything else we've talked about, this is also something you have to handle and deal with, right?

00:26:16.199 --> 00:26:19.028
That's a lot, dog, that's a lot.

00:26:19.028 --> 00:26:32.167
And so for those of you I think, especially for this audience a lot of people either have kids or have teenagers who might be interested in that.

00:26:32.167 --> 00:26:39.662
Like, they're, like you know, and they've been that way, um, or they themselves are trying, are getting out there and wanting to do certain things, or whatever.

00:26:39.662 --> 00:26:44.893
Um, you know and and and are ambitious, right?

00:26:44.893 --> 00:26:48.936
I mean, if you're listening to this podcast, you, you have some level of ambition.

00:26:48.936 --> 00:26:50.763
You're unlearning for something, right?

00:26:50.763 --> 00:26:59.980
Um, so talk to people about the real, like, the behind the scenes of that life, behind the scenes of your behind the scenes.

00:26:59.980 --> 00:27:00.580
You know what I'm saying?

00:27:00.621 --> 00:27:13.653
Like, yeah, totally, um, I think the first, like.

00:27:13.653 --> 00:27:18.057
I started playing keys when I was seven and started singing around 13.

00:27:18.057 --> 00:27:27.439
It was a lot of practicing, and the videos on my dad's camcorder because there weren't phones yet.

00:27:27.439 --> 00:27:33.670
Amazing that I can show you of me butchering what I did.

00:27:33.670 --> 00:27:35.653
I mean I and I'll pull it out.

00:27:35.653 --> 00:27:38.224
You know I teach vocal lessons my babies are coming in.

00:27:38.224 --> 00:27:39.107
They're like we messed up.

00:27:39.147 --> 00:27:47.873
I'm like no, I can do you one let me show you, let me show you, I'm traumatized, but for you I'll pull this out.

00:27:47.873 --> 00:27:58.554
Um, so I think it's just I am here for like being real, because all you're going to see, on social media is like the highlight reel.

00:27:58.834 --> 00:28:15.573
We all know that, yes, and there were so many mess ups and so many moments where you just fall on your butt, but that's how you learn, yep, and I think for those who are really, really wanting to do what I'm doing, you have to learn to pick yourself back up.

00:28:15.573 --> 00:28:16.595
You're going to mess up.

00:28:16.595 --> 00:28:20.246
You're going to get no's, you're going to get negativity.

00:28:20.246 --> 00:28:23.587
Music is such a subjective thing.

00:28:23.587 --> 00:28:28.010
There are going to be people that you are not their cup of tea and you're just going to have to deal with it.

00:28:29.421 --> 00:28:36.752
But there also are people out there who you're definitely their cup of tea, definitely, and so I think it's just about being in it for the long haul.

00:28:36.752 --> 00:28:47.614
This is not a game that you're in two years, and then we made it um yeah, it is a long haul and um.

00:28:47.614 --> 00:28:53.050
I think for those who really love it, it doesn't matter.

00:28:53.432 --> 00:28:53.692
Yeah.

00:28:54.540 --> 00:29:00.445
I can always tell, like my kids that come in here and they're like and I'm like I know what to do with you.

00:29:00.445 --> 00:29:06.585
You have a long route and then there's some, and then they come in and they're just like.

00:29:06.585 --> 00:29:08.088
I just want to learn some music.

00:29:08.429 --> 00:29:08.509
And.

00:29:08.589 --> 00:29:09.612
I'm like great.

00:29:09.652 --> 00:29:16.769
Yep, ooh, hold on.

00:29:16.769 --> 00:29:18.583
You went out again, hold on.

00:29:20.205 --> 00:29:23.029
It's a mane, I can't do that.

00:29:23.250 --> 00:29:25.674
It's like, sorry guys, her hair, she has a lot of hair.

00:29:25.674 --> 00:29:27.205
If you're not watching, she has a lot of hair.

00:29:44.500 --> 00:29:45.040
Yes, you're good, okay, um.

00:29:45.040 --> 00:29:48.125
So I would just say, making that decision um early, yeah, um, rather than later, is better, because you're going to run into some bumps.

00:29:48.125 --> 00:29:51.150
I I think I've just continued to fall back on the 13 year old girl.

00:29:51.150 --> 00:29:59.851
That was like no, we doing this, yeah, so yeah, I just it's just work.

00:30:01.060 --> 00:30:07.241
So, so, okay, it's work, okay, so, describe it so like what, what?

00:30:07.241 --> 00:30:12.311
When you say it's work, what are some of the things that have to happen?

00:30:12.311 --> 00:30:30.260
So let's say, people see, um, they might see you on social media and you've got, um, a clip of a music video, or you have some sort of promotional clip for a show that you're doing, um or uh, or, or you're you know whatever.

00:30:30.260 --> 00:30:32.405
So like what?

00:30:32.405 --> 00:30:51.208
Not just what it takes to get to the, to the, to the actual show or the actual video, because that I think a lot of people, but what it even takes to get to the clip, because I think a lot of people don't know and don't understand the work it takes to get to the 30 second clip that they see.

00:30:53.211 --> 00:30:53.792
Well, what is that?

00:30:53.792 --> 00:31:15.314
Just, just, I'm just I'm curious about that, because I also don't think a lot of young people understand that, Like they, they see the, you see what is there and you see, like, oh, I would love to do that, but you don't, you don't realize that that 30 seconds that you just saw took weeks to get to.

00:31:15.314 --> 00:31:18.586
You got to get that and it and it and it's.

00:31:18.586 --> 00:31:36.701
It's a whole lot of strategy, it's a whole lot of and the work ethic that it takes to be able to do that consistently, over and over and over again, cause it's not just one time I mean you're all over the social, but you have a, you have a plan.

00:31:36.701 --> 00:31:40.288
It's not random just one time I mean you're all over the social, but you have a, you have a plan.

00:31:40.307 --> 00:31:41.911
It's not random, you know what I mean.

00:31:41.911 --> 00:31:44.695
Like so what does that work really look like?

00:31:44.695 --> 00:31:45.817
And then, where did you get your work ethic from?

00:31:45.817 --> 00:31:52.673
Well, I would say, like, when you view a video like that, like, for instance um, we did a limbo land music video which we line danced in.

00:31:52.673 --> 00:31:53.461
It was hilarious.

00:31:53.461 --> 00:32:00.113
I can't dance to save my life, but we did it and I, um, I ended up.

00:32:00.113 --> 00:32:02.402
That looked like just us doing the video.

00:32:02.402 --> 00:32:11.088
We wrote the song, recorded the song, um, and, mind you, that's like a couple years, like, much like.

00:32:11.088 --> 00:32:13.800
I started writing that song like three years ago in nashville.

00:32:14.281 --> 00:32:21.713
Oh, that's hilarious some of it marinates for a while wow um, so did that.

00:32:21.773 --> 00:32:32.115
And then we had line dancing uh lessons where, yes, um, that sounds just like it sounds um and uh.

00:32:32.115 --> 00:32:37.084
Then we filmed and then of course, that takes another month of video editing.

00:32:37.084 --> 00:32:39.489
So it's just a long process.

00:32:39.489 --> 00:32:44.183
It's your storyboarding stuff, like I think, um, a lot of these short form videos.

00:32:44.183 --> 00:32:59.386
I'm seeing these kids are putting in so much work into a one minute video and it's like if there's 50 different, that's 50 different times to set up the camera and there's other people in the shot.

00:32:59.386 --> 00:33:02.334
Like I can just tell now watching it, I'm like yeah.

00:33:02.579 --> 00:33:04.646
Oh, this took them a day Wow.

00:33:05.107 --> 00:33:08.047
Wow, one minute video, man yeah.

00:33:09.181 --> 00:33:11.067
It's just, it's just.

00:33:11.067 --> 00:33:14.016
I think the the more you like watch it.

00:33:14.016 --> 00:33:19.671
You can like pay attention to what other people are doing, and then you just try stuff like you just figure out.

00:33:19.671 --> 00:33:23.409
You know what works best for you and, uh, what feels most authentic.

00:33:23.409 --> 00:33:38.635
I think we all know if you're like trying to be somebody else, it's not gonna, it doesn't hit I don't hit that's, that's the gen z language yeah um, so I done, um, so yeah, that's something I would say.

00:33:39.260 --> 00:33:51.008
Um, I'm just like uh, it's just a lot of building, that's a lot of building things um work ethic wise, I definitely say my parents, they're um both.

00:33:51.008 --> 00:34:00.872
They just really worked really hard um, and they gave it both to me and my brother um, so we just this made that sound like a disease.

00:34:01.372 --> 00:34:02.421
Like you gave it both.

00:34:02.421 --> 00:34:03.182
It's hilarious.

00:34:03.182 --> 00:34:04.626
They gave me, they gave it both to me.

00:34:04.626 --> 00:34:09.164
My brother's miss, yeah, yeah, I mean some of it, my mom, she'll talk to me.

00:34:09.184 --> 00:34:14.414
She's like I didn't make you this way and I'm like you did you did this?

00:34:14.494 --> 00:34:15.481
is you did this?

00:34:15.481 --> 00:34:19.653
Yes, absolutely, I feel like I'm working on vacation.

00:34:19.653 --> 00:34:21.038
Yeah, that's on you.

00:34:21.038 --> 00:34:23.302
Yep, that's on you, that's on you.

00:34:23.302 --> 00:34:28.612
Yeah, I feel that I I can relate, because my pain, that's work.

00:34:28.612 --> 00:34:29.373
A haul, that's work a haul.

00:34:29.393 --> 00:34:31.556
That's, that's the house, that's the house I grew up in.

00:34:31.556 --> 00:34:38.193
Get it honest, it is what it is, um, you know, but I but there's, there's beauty in that.

00:34:38.193 --> 00:34:39.603
I mean it's important, right?

00:34:39.603 --> 00:34:45.161
You got to have that, especially to do what you do because you're an entrepreneur.

00:34:45.161 --> 00:34:46.945
I mean you and people don't.

00:34:48.248 --> 00:34:50.253
The idea of being your own boss is really cool.

00:34:50.253 --> 00:34:59.505
The idea of being your own boss is really cool, but the functionality of that is very hard.

00:34:59.505 --> 00:34:59.885
It's hard.

00:34:59.885 --> 00:35:09.641
Nobody gets you up, nobody, like you know, nobody's telling you that you have to do this and at this time you have to do that.

00:35:09.641 --> 00:35:13.427
You've got to make those decisions or you don't eat.

00:35:13.427 --> 00:35:19.596
I mean it's, it's that simple, like you know, and it's, it's, and it's kind of.

00:35:19.596 --> 00:35:21.643
So who are your like?

00:35:21.643 --> 00:35:27.643
I'm gonna ask this question and then I'm going to go, then I'm going to go kind of deep and I'm going to.

00:35:27.643 --> 00:35:33.472
I'm prefacing that because I want you to get prepared, cause I have this, this question that I'm like I kind of want to go there.

00:35:33.472 --> 00:35:38.422
Um, but who do you look to, other than your parents, like?

00:35:38.422 --> 00:35:42.750
Who are your role model?

00:35:42.750 --> 00:35:44.353
I don't know quite the word, but that's.

00:35:44.353 --> 00:35:54.494
I can't think anything else right now, but people that you're like when I need guidance on how to do what to do, especially in this entrepreneurial space.

00:35:54.494 --> 00:35:55.961
Who do you look to like?

00:35:55.961 --> 00:35:57.224
Who your guide?

00:35:57.525 --> 00:36:22.193
guiding posts yeah um, I think from a musical standpoint I've always loved Tori Kelly, and not just because um of her voice, but I think she's carried herself very well in a very difficult industry and secular based industry and I really appreciate just how she's continued to stay her in it.

00:36:22.193 --> 00:36:25.005
From what I've seen she just seems very authentic.

00:36:25.005 --> 00:36:36.382
So I think from that end that's what I think about on the music world, I think as an entrepreneur I'm sure'm sure you know Gary Vee, do you have Gary?

00:36:36.583 --> 00:36:37.885
Vee, yes, I have.

00:36:37.885 --> 00:36:39.791
I'm trying to put him in my head, but yeah, I have.

00:36:41.380 --> 00:36:58.021
I think the one thing I don't pay attention to everything he says, but the one thing he's really the very good job of beating into people's heads is like a very good job of beating into people's heads is like right now especially in our twenties.

00:36:58.041 --> 00:36:58.682
It's your time to try stuff.

00:36:58.682 --> 00:37:06.748
I could stop doing music for the next 10 years and still have so much time to reach all of the goals and do all the things.

00:37:06.748 --> 00:37:12.686
And I think, as you look at people on social media and you're like, well, Billie Eilish made it at 15.

00:37:12.686 --> 00:37:20.603
So at this rate, we're done, we're not going to make it and everything's done and we should just quit.

00:37:20.603 --> 00:37:29.264
Now I think he's done such a good job of like looking at people, looking at people in their 40s and 50s and saying you've got 50 more years to live your life.

00:37:29.284 --> 00:37:35.686
you've got 50 more years to live your life and I just think that's really important right now because it does.

00:37:35.686 --> 00:37:39.748
There is an invisible clock ticking all of the time.

00:37:39.748 --> 00:37:43.110
And I feel like my other friends feel that too.

00:37:43.110 --> 00:37:44.530
I don't think it's just a music thing.

00:37:44.530 --> 00:38:08.442
I think it's an everything thing, and I just if we could shut that stupid clock up and like feel like, okay, we have time, we can breathe, it's okay if we don't hit all of our goals in 10 years, like we can we can just enjoy where we're going.

00:38:08.463 --> 00:38:11.188
So, yeah, what's funny is that's crazy, because you literally walked me right into my next question.

00:38:11.188 --> 00:38:12.489
No lie, because that's all.

00:38:12.489 --> 00:38:14.134
That's exactly where I wanted to go.

00:38:14.134 --> 00:38:17.744
Was do you?

00:38:17.744 --> 00:38:18.425
Is it?

00:38:18.425 --> 00:38:27.791
What anxieties come up when you think about hitting your ceiling too early?

00:38:28.032 --> 00:38:34.452
Hmm, oh, so not let's say we're hitting the goals, but hitting them.

00:38:35.201 --> 00:38:40.621
I mean you're, you're moving so fast, yeah, so to your point, you know Gary Vee and a lot of people.

00:38:40.621 --> 00:38:44.550
It's like hey, yeah, but you got so much more time left Right.

00:38:44.550 --> 00:38:51.193
And it's like you're doing things that take people Well, you've already been in it for 10 years.

00:38:51.193 --> 00:38:54.726
Things that take people well, you've already been in it for 10 years.

00:38:54.726 --> 00:39:02.106
Right, you started off so young and it's like yo, when you get to, let's say, 10 years from now, I mean imagine where you'll be, but you'll be younger than me, oh God.

00:39:02.106 --> 00:39:12.952
I don't like saying that out loud, but but it's like you know you're, you're already, you're already, you're headed in this successful way.

00:39:12.952 --> 00:39:18.889
And it's like, like you said, that time clock, the clock is ticking.

00:39:18.889 --> 00:39:31.001
The clock is ticking is what comes up in your mind when it's like I'm on the path to hitting these goals in the next five to 10 years.

00:39:31.001 --> 00:39:32.739
What next?

00:39:32.739 --> 00:39:34.340
Like, what do I do?

00:39:34.340 --> 00:39:36.922
Like, I mean, do you ever think about?

00:39:36.942 --> 00:39:37.101
that.

00:39:37.101 --> 00:39:37.724
I love that question.

00:39:37.724 --> 00:39:43.565
No, I'm really glad you asked me because I need to have that perspective more often.

00:39:43.565 --> 00:39:48.726
I'm like, oh, we're actually doing all right, like it's okay.

00:39:48.726 --> 00:39:52.422
I think I lean more.

00:39:52.422 --> 00:39:53.945
I'm gonna need you to write that down for me.

00:39:53.945 --> 00:40:03.528
I think I lean more in the line of like I'm like, oh crap, we're running out of time and who's gonna?

00:40:03.528 --> 00:40:05.996
I mean, that's a great perspective.

00:40:05.996 --> 00:40:16.150
But I'm like I'm typing and sending a handful of different emails with a fake manager that I created because no one else is managing me.

00:40:16.150 --> 00:40:18.342
So I'm like, okay, she's available.

00:40:18.342 --> 00:40:24.588
And I think my brain is like, oh crap, we're running out of time.

00:40:24.588 --> 00:40:27.800
But I need people like you in my life to remind me we have time.

00:40:28.541 --> 00:40:54.159
I mean there's so much time, there's so much so much time and I think I think this is also something because I, I identify with it, like I, we're joking and yeah, I mean I'm technically 14 years older than you, okay, so and I and and, but but I, let's be clear, I do not feel like that.

00:40:54.159 --> 00:40:55.143
That's fantastic.

00:40:55.143 --> 00:40:58.420
I do Welcome to Savannah.

00:41:05.141 --> 00:41:16.119
I do not feel like I'm that much older, but I I have, I have been, I've definitely had that same mentality of like.

00:41:16.119 --> 00:41:24.639
I remember when I turned 25, I was like, oh my God, I'm running out of time, I mean, and I wasn't doing what you're doing, like I was very much regular, right.

00:41:24.639 --> 00:41:29.344
So you're doing Like I was very much regular, right, so, and I'm thinking to myself you know what?

00:41:29.344 --> 00:41:41.019
And then, and then, as I get the more, I begin, I began, I began to get Uber accomplished, right, I mean I just Uber, just like, okay, I'm going, going, going, going, going.

00:41:41.041 --> 00:41:45.695
And when I look back and I think about even starting, you know, when we started industry, that was 27.

00:41:45.695 --> 00:41:53.824
And that's so weird to think about, but it's like I wasn't 30 yet and I was a co-founder of an organization.

00:41:53.824 --> 00:41:54.987
And now it's 10 years later.

00:41:54.987 --> 00:41:56.592
Actually, I was younger than that.

00:41:56.592 --> 00:41:57.096
I'm lying.

00:41:57.096 --> 00:41:58.077
I was like 26.

00:41:58.077 --> 00:42:07.150
And it's 12 years later and we're getting to the point now where we're actually.

00:42:07.150 --> 00:42:25.666
Where we're, you know, we have this growth and all this stuff here, and it's like I'm not even 40 yet, like, and there's been a lot of things that have happened I mean just just in my own story where it's like you have really done a lot of stuff by the time you get to this age.

00:42:27.074 --> 00:42:46.766
And I I think it's been in my mind and just kind of helping even myself to like you got time like slow down, um, and and just wondering like, okay, if, if that was, if all of that happened in 10 plus years, at 10 years.

00:42:46.766 --> 00:42:49.579
All that happened at 10 years and this is where you are in 10 years.

00:42:49.579 --> 00:42:53.086
Give yourself another 10 years at that same pace.

00:42:53.086 --> 00:42:56.539
It's like I'm going to run out of stuff to do.

00:42:56.539 --> 00:42:57.603
I don't.

00:42:57.603 --> 00:42:59.467
I don't know what else I would even do.

00:42:59.467 --> 00:43:02.661
You know, and I think that's where my, my mind sometimes goes.

00:43:02.661 --> 00:43:14.646
And so I'm just curious as to you know, it's like the um, the basket, the basketball player he's drafted at and you get million.

00:43:14.646 --> 00:43:25.204
I mean, you're a millionaire, multi-millionaire, at 21 and by the time you're 30, you're retiring.

00:43:25.204 --> 00:43:28.226
What am I going to do?

00:43:28.226 --> 00:43:40.460
Like you've got so much life ahead of you but you've also lived so much life, right, yeah, um, and I'm just, I was just curious, like, does that ever cross your mind?

00:43:40.539 --> 00:43:50.365
like I will say I think I know me and I'm I've really I want to do like 50 million tours and for as long as I can.

00:43:50.789 --> 00:43:50.909
Yeah.

00:43:51.135 --> 00:43:51.936
And then I did.

00:43:51.936 --> 00:43:59.864
I'm like starting to wrap my head around, like when your girl has a family I don't want to be home with my baby yes.

00:43:59.864 --> 00:44:01.943
And I've really started thinking through that.

00:44:01.943 --> 00:44:02.436
I'm like.

00:44:02.476 --> 00:44:38.259
Ooh, I really don't want to be, going absolutely crazy when that season comes, and so I really love writing as you know, and I've already been working with some fantastic people here in Memphis and out of town that do a lot of sync, licensing Absolutely and it's like a perfect job at home that I can still continue to do what I love, make great money probably way more than yes, absolutely you will yeah and um, so I can see me doing that.

00:44:38.259 --> 00:45:05.659
I've I've thought about like that would be like our, our like family season, um, where I can still see tours happening, but like those first five years with those babies oh yeah, I know that's right seriously yeah, so, um, I've thought about that, um, and I I don't know if I've ever really thought about a ceiling, because I'm always going to be that person that's going to like raise the bar higher.

00:45:05.719 --> 00:45:06.601
I love it, yeah, which.

00:45:06.842 --> 00:45:16.326
I don't know if that's a healthy thing or not, but I think I would always like, if I hit that goal, I'm going to be like okay, next year we're going to do this.

00:45:16.326 --> 00:45:18.007
Yes, yes, yeah.

00:45:18.088 --> 00:45:19.590
I love that yeah.

00:45:19.855 --> 00:45:23.025
So I think yeah, I don't know.

00:45:49.695 --> 00:45:54.822
I think, like I'm one of those weird people my goal list is two pages and it will be crossed out and there will be new ones really think that it's important for us to understand about gen z that the bar was.

00:45:54.822 --> 00:45:55.083
How am I?

00:45:55.083 --> 00:46:24.677
I'm reading this book right now, the science of scaling, and he talks about the um, the, the floor, like raising your floor as opposed, as opposed to your ceiling, and so how, when you raise your floor, you automatically level up and it's basically, you know, your standard just becomes higher and higher and higher, and, and so when you do that, you're you, you know it's not so much about the ceiling, it's about the floor, and so it's.

00:46:24.677 --> 00:46:42.369
It's interesting because I think what, um, a lot of people may not realize about the, you know gen z as a generation, and I don't want to be general, but they, they're coming into this world with a higher floor in a lot of ways.

00:46:43.938 --> 00:46:47.887
Right, because you are that, because, again, the knowledge is there.

00:46:47.887 --> 00:46:52.460
So there's a lot of I'm not doing that or that's not I'm.

00:46:52.460 --> 00:47:11.862
I know I don't want to do that, I know I don't want to, I know I don't want to, I know it and a lot of the floor, raising your floor a lot of times is knowing what you, what you were going to say no to what you don, yeah, and when you come, when you have all this, when you kind of are preset with this knowledge, you kind of know, uh-uh, that ain't for me.

00:47:12.784 --> 00:47:12.963
Yeah.

00:47:13.143 --> 00:47:14.224
This is a no, that's a no.

00:47:14.224 --> 00:47:15.304
This is a no, that's a no.

00:47:15.304 --> 00:47:38.974
And so you kind of you, you, you, if you have all the other characteristics you know, the work ethic, the maturity, all this stuff and you go for the thing that you want to go, for you're going to be pretty close to your ceiling just because your floor is higher.

00:47:38.974 --> 00:47:47.688
Right, you're right, yeah, right, and so it's just there's, there is a, there is a, and that's not going to be everybody by, because everybody doesn't have all those filters and they're not going to do it.

00:47:47.688 --> 00:47:49.280
But for those that do.

00:47:49.280 --> 00:48:11.123
And so I think it's important that people unlearn about this generation that they aren't it's like, no, they are truly capable of doing more things better and faster than any other generation we've ever seen, and that could be great it's.

00:48:11.123 --> 00:48:16.402
I think it could be great for for the world and really tough for them.

00:48:17.425 --> 00:48:17.625
Yeah.

00:48:17.945 --> 00:48:21.282
You know what I mean, and I think sometimes we don't have enough empathy for that.

00:48:21.282 --> 00:48:23.916
Um, I don't know.

00:48:23.916 --> 00:48:24.797
That's what I feel.

00:48:25.898 --> 00:48:27.219
Good, you spit bars.

00:48:27.219 --> 00:48:28.420
I don't know about that, I don't know.

00:48:28.481 --> 00:48:28.740
I don't know.

00:48:28.740 --> 00:48:29.181
That's what I feel.

00:48:29.181 --> 00:48:29.722
Good, you spit in bars.

00:48:29.722 --> 00:48:30.543
I don't know about that.

00:48:30.543 --> 00:48:31.483
I don't know.

00:48:31.483 --> 00:48:32.164
I don't know, I don't know.

00:48:32.164 --> 00:48:32.724
This is just.

00:48:32.724 --> 00:48:33.485
This is what I.

00:48:33.485 --> 00:48:36.088
I'm going to one of my.

00:48:36.088 --> 00:48:38.751
One of our students at Angel Street has a.

00:48:38.751 --> 00:48:50.757
A few of them are in a, in a summer program and going to their, like, debut tonight and they're doing like a tiny desk kind of thing.

00:48:50.757 --> 00:49:05.438
I mean, they're super talented man, like they're going, they're they're gonna do some real cool things and my, my, I just I want, I want the people that deal with them to deal with them correctly.

00:49:05.438 --> 00:49:11.563
Yeah, yeah, and don't, don't, don't, make assumptions that aren't true.

00:49:11.563 --> 00:49:20.878
You know, because they're going for things and they're not, they're going to skip a lot of steps because they are just, that's just the generation we have.

00:49:20.878 --> 00:49:24.686
Anyway, those are just my thoughts.

00:49:24.686 --> 00:49:25.148
What do you think?

00:49:26.934 --> 00:49:27.516
I'm totally.

00:49:27.516 --> 00:49:28.681
Yeah, I think that's great.

00:49:28.681 --> 00:49:32.202
I love the thought of like the floor is raised.

00:49:32.202 --> 00:49:42.248
Um, totally for us, like, if you think of the, the picture I thought of when you said that was like bringing in social media like it used to.

00:49:42.248 --> 00:49:50.063
You knock on 50 different doors to get an opportunity and now you post a thousand videos and you have the opportunities in your lap.

00:49:50.063 --> 00:49:53.856
Yeah, that's very true.

00:49:53.856 --> 00:49:54.619
It's very.

00:49:54.619 --> 00:49:56.742
Yeah, you're right.

00:49:56.742 --> 00:49:57.963
Yeah.

00:49:58.545 --> 00:49:59.387
It's that.

00:49:59.387 --> 00:50:20.849
Yeah, I don't know, it's just interesting and it's just interesting and I, I, so what do you think, kind of as we wrap this up, what do you think, what do you think is important for older adults like myself, younger, older adults?

00:50:20.849 --> 00:50:27.983
We're going to say it like that yes, it's important to know about your generation.

00:50:27.983 --> 00:50:43.739
Because here's the other thing right Now, you aren't in this situation, you're an entrepreneur, but my people in my, we're starting to be the managers, if you will, or like leaders of in the workplace, of of folks who are in your age, and it's a very different experience.

00:50:44.001 --> 00:50:46.467
I, I ain't gonna lie to you, it's very different.

00:50:46.467 --> 00:50:50.793
Uh, there are some days I am just like man, y'all are, I love being around y'all.

00:50:50.793 --> 00:51:02.018
And then there are some it's like how, like what's going on here, and I'm sure there were people that said that about me when I was that age.

00:51:02.018 --> 00:51:22.746
But what would you say it was important for people to unlearn regarding this generation, your generation, and especially people who are leading them in any kind of capacity that could be at work, that could be at church, that could be in a family, that could be.

00:51:23.132 --> 00:51:48.467
However, I would say I think only assumptions is important I think you kind of said something along those lines um so like trusting that they are, um like fully getting over the fact they do not have the same life that you did.

00:51:48.467 --> 00:51:50.769
Yeah, at all.

00:51:51.150 --> 00:51:51.791
Getting over it.

00:51:51.894 --> 00:52:04.528
You still have wisdom, so like in part from your life, but really understanding this does not look at all like what you went through or what your grandparents went through.

00:52:04.568 --> 00:52:11.458
This is different, this is different, yeah, um.

00:52:11.458 --> 00:52:13.463
Or what your grandparents would do, this is different, this is different, yeah.

00:52:13.463 --> 00:52:22.454
So I think um just not assuming, I think really being open to communication, I I've had people who um really respect and listen to my voice, and I've had people who did the exact opposite.

00:52:22.454 --> 00:52:42.579
So I think having um real leaders who are willing to listen to what we have to say and um understanding that we know a lot more about the kids coming up now than they do you know what I'm saying so.

00:52:43.422 --> 00:52:49.403
um, I mean, I'm having, I'm having some students come in and I can just tell they're anxious and I'm like your little brain.

00:52:49.403 --> 00:52:51.201
I just want to hug your little brain.

00:52:51.201 --> 00:52:56.865
But I'm like their parents are just like well, can you just stop being ADD?

00:52:56.865 --> 00:53:00.259
And I'm like well, you know?

00:53:00.259 --> 00:53:08.190
So I think, not to say that that isn't there, but maybe if they didn't have as much information, they wouldn't be that way.

00:53:09.657 --> 00:53:12.820
So yeah, I don't know, I think I'm learning that.

00:53:15.715 --> 00:53:29.094
And just being open, being empathetic, being willing to try things a new way and being willing to to let us fail too, I think is important.

00:53:29.094 --> 00:53:47.045
A lot of people are like that's the wrong way to do it, that's the wrong way to do this oh, that's good, savannah, oh that's good, I mean try it, and if we fail, we'll do it a different way that's really good so um yeah I.

00:53:48.025 --> 00:53:49.628
I really hope people heard that.

00:53:49.628 --> 00:54:00.715
I think that's so good and it's good for me to hear that, because I struggle with that, like I definitely would have to like hold my tongue, like, hey, hold on, you know.

00:54:00.715 --> 00:54:01.619
It's like, no, just let them.

00:54:01.619 --> 00:54:10.880
You know you don't want to let them, you know, destroy themselves, right, but let them fail, let them fall and then just be there.

00:54:10.880 --> 00:54:15.088
Yeah, all right, cool, you good, let's get back up.

00:54:15.088 --> 00:54:16.150
Let's do it again, right?

00:54:16.150 --> 00:54:23.648
I think I think that's so important for older people to hear is you gotta let people fail?

00:54:23.648 --> 00:54:25.139
That's the only way.

00:54:25.139 --> 00:54:26.489
It's the way you learn, it's the way you learn.

00:54:26.489 --> 00:54:27.074
It's the way I learn.

00:54:27.074 --> 00:54:28.918
You can't, you're not gonna.

00:54:29.579 --> 00:54:39.041
I heard somebody, um kev, on stage, um, talk about this in a podcast not too long ago and it's like nobody when?

00:54:39.041 --> 00:54:41.527
But people watch game film, they don't watch the touchdowns.

00:54:41.527 --> 00:54:43.077
Nobody learns from touchdowns.

00:54:43.077 --> 00:54:46.563
You know nobody, you don't do that.

00:54:46.563 --> 00:54:49.469
And it's like, yeah, man, nobody learns from touchdowns.

00:54:49.469 --> 00:54:52.996
You stare at when you screwed up, yeah, and.

00:54:52.996 --> 00:54:57.739
But if you've never let people do that, they'll never grow Like man.

00:54:57.739 --> 00:54:59.061
That's so good, that's so good.

00:54:59.061 --> 00:54:59.902
Anything else, what else?

00:54:59.902 --> 00:55:03.469
No assumptions, let people fail.

00:55:03.914 --> 00:55:04.858
We're going to create it.

00:55:04.858 --> 00:55:07.324
We, we're gonna create it just like a pitch deck for y'all.

00:55:07.385 --> 00:55:17.507
Okay, yes, oh, please, yes, I love that.

00:55:18.168 --> 00:55:25.862
Oh, that's so good, maybe not to everyone, um I I don't know if there's much else.

00:55:25.862 --> 00:55:30.349
I just said, listening is like your best friend, I think when it comes to our generation.

00:55:30.715 --> 00:55:32.862
Yeah, I agree, I think that's good.

00:55:32.862 --> 00:55:37.063
I do want to call back to something you said about younger kids.

00:55:37.063 --> 00:55:40.384
When a Gen Alpha, I think, is what they're calling them now.

00:55:40.384 --> 00:55:48.927
Yeah, sure, I've lost, yeah, there you go, yeah, but you teach them and I love what you said we know and can understand them a little bit more.

00:56:05.454 --> 00:56:13.871
And that anxiety piece is a real connecting point that even people my age aren't as I mean I, I I find myself anxious, but I also find myself more equipped to deal with that and and, in a way, that is why I'm not living in it, like I'm not.

00:56:13.871 --> 00:56:29.603
It's not a consistent, you know response, um, where, at least where I am in my life right now, and but also I don't, my brain has not been wired with the things that y'all's brain has been wired with, and so that'all's brain has been wired with, and so that connection is really cool and important.

00:56:29.603 --> 00:56:32.925
And what you're like for parents is like, would you just stop?

00:56:32.925 --> 00:56:41.164
It's like hey, honestly, sometimes they it's hard, Like it's not, it's an anxiety.

00:56:41.164 --> 00:56:48.360
It may not be ADHD, it may not be, it could just be anxiety, and that's something I think a lot of people need to be aware of.

00:56:48.360 --> 00:56:53.079
I just think that's important to call back.

00:56:53.079 --> 00:56:56.300
It's not something I've necessarily thought about.

00:56:56.460 --> 00:57:03.554
All the jitteriness it's like what's happening?

00:57:03.554 --> 00:57:06.818
Why are we so much?

00:57:06.818 --> 00:57:13.380
It's because the brain just can't, can't slow down, it can't slow down, it can't slow down.

00:57:13.380 --> 00:57:14.402
That's, that's man.

00:57:14.402 --> 00:57:30.858
Yeah, I love that and I love that you are able to help, to help help kids to manage that, even in the time that you're with them, um, because you understand it, you know, um, that's beautiful, that's beautiful okay.

00:57:30.858 --> 00:57:42.768
So tell people where they can uh connect with you and find you and buy your music and all that stuff um, you can find me on savannahbristercom s-a-v-e-a-n-n-a-h-b-r-i-s-t-e-r.

00:57:44.056 --> 00:57:46.362
And um, I'm on all the socials.

00:57:46.362 --> 00:57:48.467
You can just look up my name, find me.

00:57:48.467 --> 00:57:49.489
I just dropped an album.

00:57:49.489 --> 00:57:50.550
Y'all should go listen.

00:57:50.550 --> 00:57:51.353
Yeah, you did.

00:57:51.353 --> 00:57:52.074
Yeah, you did.

00:57:52.074 --> 00:57:53.661
We did talk about anxiety.

00:57:59.856 --> 00:58:12.833
Oh, yes, oh man, yes, y'all, if y'all have not heard Savannah, her voice is butter, it's beautiful.

00:58:12.833 --> 00:58:21.737
I remember first time hearing her sing, I was like I'm sorry, first of all, you know, I'm going to say it.

00:58:21.737 --> 00:58:25.085
First of all, what white girl sings like this?

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That's the first thing.

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The first thing I thought, honest to God, who are you?

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And secondly, she's 17.

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Who are you?

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And secondly, she's 17, like what?

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I?

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I don't know who this chick is, but somebody needs to come get her.

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Um, savannah is bad, y'all, she, she's bad.

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And so, uh, I, I, I, absolutely.

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And she, as you can tell, she's just an amazing person.

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Y'all go support her and and and I hope you heard her when it comes to this kind of engagement with this younger generation, we got to unlearn who they are for real, like and and really just like, hey and be, be be able to support in the ways that they need support, not in the ways we think support should be, and that's, I think, something that is important for us all to unlearn as we're navigating this.

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So thank you, ma'am, for being on the show again, thanks for having me.

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This was a great conversation and thanks everybody for listening, and until we come back together.

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Let's keep unlearning together so that we can experience more freedom, peace.

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