June 30, 2025

Unlearning Drumline: One Band One Sound

Unlearning Drumline: One Band One Sound

Send us a text Drumline offers powerful leadership lessons through the journey of three key characters navigating conflict and change within a college marching band. • Dr. Lee represents tradition and structure, struggling to adapt to changing times while maintaining excellence • Sean demonstrates how middle-management leadership requires overcoming insecurity to develop talent rather than controlling it • Devin embodies raw talent that must learn discipline and structure to reach its potent...

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Drumline offers powerful leadership lessons through the journey of three key characters navigating conflict and change within a college marching band.

• Dr. Lee represents tradition and structure, struggling to adapt to changing times while maintaining excellence
• Sean demonstrates how middle-management leadership requires overcoming insecurity to develop talent rather than controlling it
• Devin embodies raw talent that must learn discipline and structure to reach its potential
• Talent alone gets you noticed, but consistent development and learning are essential for sustainable success
• True leadership means creating opportunities for others to shine rather than seeking validation from those you lead
• Leadership transitions require both honoring established foundations and making space for innovation
• The principle of "one band, one sound" shows how individual excellence must be balanced with team cohesion
• Conflict can be transformative when it forces leaders to grow and adapt their methods

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00:00 - Welcome to the Summer Movie Series

05:31 - Introducing Drumline: One Band, One Sound

10:55 - Three Leaders: Dr. Lee, Sean, and Devin

17:54 - Talent vs. Structure: Dr. Lee's Journey

30:04 - Learning Music vs. Learning Songs

38:28 - Devin's Conflict: High Competence, Low Commitment

48:36 - Sean's Leadership Challenge

59:22 - Finding Confidence: The Battle Scene

01:06:12 - Leaders Can't Be Needy

01:11:40 - Final Thoughts and Key Takeaways

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hello everybody.

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Welcome to the unlurked podcast.

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I'm your host, ruth abigail aka ra.

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What's up, friends?

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It's your girl jaquita, and this is the podcast that's helping you gain the courage to change your mind so that you can experience more freedom.

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What's up, everybody?

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Welcome back to our Hello to the people.

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People, welcome back to our summer series.

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All right, cue the song.

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Summer, summer, summertime, Summertime, summertime.

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Just as a note, I sent Ruth Abigail this song because I'm still in disbelief.

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I'm still in disbelief.

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I'm still in utter disbelief that this girl did not know that song and when I sent it to her she was like yeah, I'm not really familiar with this.

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I mean, it is very disappointing and it's something I can't even comprehend.

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I told her it transcended genre communities, like everybody knows this song, but anywho, y'all, I just wasn't in it.

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I wasn't in it, I wasn't there, but that's alright, and it's not that like she didn't listen to that type of music.

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She wasn't supposed to.

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No, I listened to Will Smith.

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That was acceptable and that's crazy that you would miss.

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Like what year did it come out?

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I?

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feel like it was just early.

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I mean it was early, but still, because I remember my parents just don't understand.

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Anyway, to our.

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Summertime series.

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We going through the movies.

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Okay, if you been rocking with us, y'all, we been hitting some classics we have.

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Okay, you might have seen us talk about Love and Basketball by now if you have not checked out the Love and Basketball banger episode.

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Remember the Titans episode banger.

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Lion King banger episode listen, y'all get in on this okay, because this series we're kind of in our bag a little bit.

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I think, and I I think I'm feeling this, like it's it, and it's amazing how much you really can learn from these movies.

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Like it's really.

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Uh, it's pretty eye-opening really.

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No, it really is like I've like going back and re-watching them.

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I'm like man, yeah, like we really have.

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Um, we really have like really, first of all, movies used to like want to teach you something, you know, like like there was like enough substance in them where you know like it was leadership themes were everywhere, you know.

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And I'm like man, like going back watching the movie we watched today, I was was like, oh man, this is like a leadership podcast dream right here.

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You know, like even our animated movies like Toy Story, like leadership podcast dream, like you know it's been, it's been really good.

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Going back and I love rewatching movies I've seen 10 million times Cause I'm looking at all the stuff happening in the background.

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Now, yes, I'm like now they know we caught them, them like they should have edited that out.

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That wasn't right.

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So and that happened a couple of times in our movie today- it did it did.

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So look, if you like this series, let us know.

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And let us know if y'all want to do it again.

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Like, because this could be like a nice little tradition we do with y'all, but if y'all don't like it, we ain't gonna gonna do it.

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You know what I'm saying.

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So just you know, let us know, we're here for you, we're here for you.

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So, yeah, this one, okay, this one, this movie is like I really forgot how much I love this movie.

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Like I haven't seen it in a long time, but I forgot how much I loved it and as I was watching it like throughout the day, cause I was just like watching it on my phone in my spare time throughout the day and watching it at the gym you know, and I was, just like great cardio movie, by the way, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Great cardio movie.

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Yeah, that would be a great cardio movie, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, it's just good.

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Okay, all right, we're going to do the part, and if they can catch what it is, all right.

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You ready?

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Oh my gosh, here we go.

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It's on you, all right.

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One band.

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One band.

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It's pretty terrible, that's pretty bad.

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That was at the request of producer Joy.

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Yes, it was.

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We're happy, so we're happy to oblige, rehearsed it and everything, and I think we botched it I think we botched it um.

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That was good no, I don't think so.

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I think she'd probably want to do many takes, but we're not gonna if she didn't like it, she can edit it out okay, because, yeah, because we're not the ability to do that okay, and we didn't, we weren't really committed, we were anywho, all right.

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First of all, this line has so many classic lines.

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All right, to all my band people.

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Okay, I'm saying you know, I'm saying this for us.

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Okay, this movie was for us when this movie dropped.

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Okay, as a tuba player all right, I know that's not what the movie was about, it was, but as a tuba player, there were so many nuggets in there for us, yes, and I loved every moment of it.

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Friends, we are talking about the one, the only nick cannon special.

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All right, best, best movie, best movie he gave us in the early 2000s.

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Yeah, okay, we're talking about drumline line this was the movie for all the people you know, for it's the.

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It's the non-sport movie that's about a sport get off my nerves.

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Did you see them?

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no, no, no hold on, wait a minute, just hear me out.

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I am not suggesting that marching band is not a strenuous activity.

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I don't think sport has to include well, I guess, competition, yeah, okay, okay the movie was about a whole competition.

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I got it.

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I got it, you're right.

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Okay, and that's why I paused, because I reject that.

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Yeah, because you're wrong.

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You paused because you're wrong.

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I don't.

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That's the only thing.

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It's a sport.

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I just think it's an activity that requires a lot of like.

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You know, Absolutely not.

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Exercise, and that's because you're not in band culture?

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I'm not.

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You're not in band culture.

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So y'all can come for me, that's fine.

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Just like before the episode, ruth was like who was your rival, who was the rival band for your high school?

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Because it's a sport and people have favorites, right, like people are.

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People are interested.

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First of all, go to a band competition.

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See the football stadiums packed with supporters wearing colors.

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All right, go to a band competition.

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Okay, you know, I want to know, do y'all, do y'all think that?

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Marching band is a sport.

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Okay, let us know.

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If you think marching band is a sport, I'm okay with y'all coming at me.

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I'm fine with that.

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It's my personal opinion, that's fine.

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Again, I respect, I respect the marching band.

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You know what I'm saying.

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We don't need your respect, we need your acknowledgement of us as a sport.

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Why is it so important that you are?

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a sport because people don't put.

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People don't put no respect on on an activity, even the way you say it, okay, you don't put no respect on it.

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I'm sure there's a better word than any who, any, who, like I said, for all the band people, this movie was for us.

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This movie came out.

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Yes, my senior year in high school.

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Okay it did not come out your senior year in high school.

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It came out in 2002.

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It came out.

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Yes, my senior year in high school.

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Okay, it did not come out.

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It did not come out your senior year in high school.

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It came out in 2002.

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It came out your sophomore year in high school that seems wrong.

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Anywho, yeah, by that time I was a section leader.

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Okay, I was mama tuba.

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We made a whole poster.

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Okay, because all of the sections in the band made posters that we put up around the band room.

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In the middle of the poster we wrote it's a tuba thing, shawty.

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Okay, we wore.

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We wore the socks up to the kneecaps and said don't worry about my socks, it's a tuba thing, I.

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I wore that line out, I know you did.

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Oh, my gosh, high school Jaquita was ecstatic.

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Do you hear me?

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This brought up all the high school.

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Like all of it, all the 15-year-old Ruth Abigail was just having and I think part of the soundtrack, like the music, just the music they were.

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I was just like take me back.

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One band was playing you know, one band was one bed was hitting and I will say, you know, it's interesting, like there's so many things I love looking at them, like March and rehearsing, and it just takes me back.

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But there's so many things I love looking at them, like marching, rehearsing, and it just takes me back.

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But it's interesting Like I remember being in the stands and when we would play you know the more urban schools, sure, uh-huh, and they would be in there playing the top nine at nine over there in the stands, like they playing the music we hear on the radio, and my band director's like, all right, pull out, pull out, hey Baby, and I'm like, and the tubas.

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We had this one song, it was called no Limit Soldiers and it starts off with, like the tuba line and we used to play that.

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He got so mad.

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My band director got so mad at me one day he came and snatched my mouthpiece.

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He would not let me play anymore.

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What's the line?

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Can you do it?

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for us please, boom, boom, hey.

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The line can you do it for us please?

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Boom, boom, boom, boom.

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Hey, okay, listen when we and so like we taught it, like all the all the brass knew how to play this song, okay, but the tuba started it off and he hated when we played it.

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That's nevertheless, this is not about my trauma.

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Well, it's okay.

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This is about a young man named devin I actually love that one of us was in the marching band, because this makes this so much more relevant, you know there are things I'm sure you could absolutely directly uh, you know, absolutely.

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I think it was also a a movie for the musicians.

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I'm not a marching bander.

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This was not for the pianists.

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It's for musicians, it wasn't for you.

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Chill out, bro, hold on, man, hold on, because we're not doing that Now.

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I'm a musician, all right.

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So I appreciated it for the musicianship and that's something that Dr Lee appreciates Musicianship all right.

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So we're not coming for me, I ain't coming for you, all right.

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This we can both.

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We can both love the movie, that's all I'm saying.

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Say any who.

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We can all love the movie.

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There was some.

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There's something for everyone in this movie.

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I think what's key about this movie is that we're really following the journey of three leaders, like, as they are, kind of navigating the landscape of how do I explore my leadership in the midst of conflict, right?

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And so you have Dr Lee, who's having his own conflict about, you know, keeping the band within kind of this generational framework.

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Even when it's not appealing to anyone else, he wants to be the leader that says, even though it wasn't popular, I did it the right way.

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You know like he wants to stick.

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He's principled.

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You know he's leading by.

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You know what he thinks is right and what he thinks is the most excellent way.

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Then you have Sean, who is, you know, section leader.

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You know he's built his line as he likes to say you know I built this line.

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You know to look a certain way.

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You know he's tough.

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You know because for him leadership is about respect and he hasn't really learned all the other dimensions of what it means to be a leader besides respect and keeping everyone in line on the line.

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Sorry, it was there.

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Look at you, I had to do it Right and then we have Devin Youngbuck, you know, full of potential, highly skilled.

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What did we talk about in one of the episodes?

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High competence, no, high confidence, low competence.

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High commitment, low competence.

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High commitment, low competence.

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But that would be.

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Devin yeah, that's not applicable.

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I like what I was saying.

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But what Devin would have been was high competence, low commitment.

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Yes, yes, that's what I was trying to get at, thank you.

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But you know he he is, he's finding his way and he's bucking up against everything that doesn't go with.

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You know who he is and how he is because he hasn't yet learned that he needs to change.

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So we're going to talk about these three and explore the leadership themes Drum line Drum line.

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Yes.

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So let's start with Dr Lee, because I think Dr Lee represents tradition in a lot of ways, represents tradition in a lot of ways, and you know it's really easy to spit on tradition when you're younger and you know it's like you don't see the point and you know it's like things got to change when to do things the same way X, y, z.

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That's true, I agree with that.

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That's true.

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I agree with that.

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Um.

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However, there's something you gotta anything new has to be built on something solid, and that's where tradition comes in.

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And so I think the upside of dr lee's character is that there was a certain stubbornness and standard he had to keep in order for them to shine and for them for the like he had to do.

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You can't just turn on a dime every time somebody has a new idea and expect to be excellent.

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Something has to be the same, something has to.

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You know, you have to establish structure and order in a system, and that's really what he was doing and like the, the thing that, and we find this, you know, we kind of see his journey.

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But I think what Dr Lee had to unlearn is that structure does not have to be um, does not have does not have to um necessarily mean stylistic Right.

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So like in other words, you can, you can have the same structure but a different style, because the beef was really like we want to play different stuff, we don't want to keep playing these pieces that don't seem to fit the moments that we're in, and for him it's like no, we're musicians, this is what musicians do, and there is a structure and a system to good musicianship.

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However, the style can always fluctuate.

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Right, like you can, you can, you can match the style to the moment, and that's something we see him on unlearning throughout the entire, throughout the movie, to where it's like okay, I can, I'm going to be, I can, um, I'm willing to release my preference, um, within the structure, within the structure.

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So I think that's something that young people have to.

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I think it's something younger leaders uh, including myself, like you know, cause there are obviously people that have been in leadership way longer than we have, and they, they are used to a different way of doing things, but what they have contributed has laid the groundwork for us contributing, and what we contribute and what what the younger leaders contribute, is they're able to contribute because of the groundwork that we lay Right.

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So that's part of, I think, dr Lee's purpose is holding to that groundwork, which is really hard to do when you're, when you feel like you're up against it.

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And he was not just up against students, he was up against his leadership.

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Right, leadership and the community, the community in general.

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Nobody you know, like even the bus driver.

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When they first arrived to the college he said I used to be with y'all boys back in the day, right before you got mr lee.

00:16:08.028 --> 00:16:09.932
And the drummer said dr, dr lee.

00:16:09.932 --> 00:16:18.863
And he's like whatever you know, like y'all are whack, y'all in the stairs playing flight of the bumblebee, right, right, it's like you know.

00:16:18.942 --> 00:16:28.523
And I think for dr lee, where he missed the mark is that you have to be able to see the excellence in the generations that come behind you.

00:16:28.523 --> 00:16:30.447
And you know, like you know what I'm saying.

00:16:30.447 --> 00:16:41.335
Like, yes, earth, wind and fire made great music and set a standard, right, set a standard that many artists afterwards employed.

00:16:41.335 --> 00:16:49.282
Right, they use that framework to create their own new sound or whatever, but it had a foundation.

00:16:49.282 --> 00:16:58.566
But you don't, you can't stay stuck at the beginning, right of a thing, and I think that that's where what dr lee was missing.

00:16:58.566 --> 00:17:05.795
He wanted to stay stuck in what he had learned and he became resistant to learning anything else.

00:17:05.795 --> 00:17:09.869
He literally told them when he was all right, we playing earth, wind and fire.

00:17:09.869 --> 00:17:10.752
And they were like, oh lord.

00:17:10.752 --> 00:17:13.645
He said who y'all want to play some angie stone?

00:17:13.826 --> 00:17:16.152
I'm so glad they had angie stone in that movie.

00:17:16.152 --> 00:17:23.655
That's beautiful, because I was just like oh, I still can't believe we lost and that's like that's crazy, that's crazy, it's crazy.

00:17:23.655 --> 00:17:24.916
But you know he's like y'all want to play some ll cool, j you know, and, and that's like that's crazy, that's crazy, it's crazy.

00:17:24.916 --> 00:17:37.343
But you know he's like y'all want to play some ll cool, j you know and and it's like some snoop doggie dog, snoop doggie dog, you know like he, he, he.

00:17:37.682 --> 00:17:50.667
But it's almost like he's saying those people are not as good like because they use this, or could it be that they've used that and they've taken it to another level that we need?

00:17:50.667 --> 00:17:51.128
He was.

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He was not only resisting change, but his generational superiority was keeping them um, keeping them stuck and and and preventing innovation from flourishing.

00:18:05.239 --> 00:18:26.186
And anytime one person has a chokehold on innovation, we will discontinue growth, we will discontinue moving forward and we will keep doing the same things in the same place and never know what lies beyond the moment that we're in.

00:18:26.186 --> 00:18:30.506
Yeah, and he kept them stuck in earth, wind and fire.

00:18:30.506 --> 00:18:35.493
Um, and, to be honest, you know, devin was hot-headed.

00:18:35.493 --> 00:18:42.157
Devin came in and was, you know, you know blowing all the frameworks out the window.

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You know you're supposed to be able to do this, devin, like I do me.

00:18:43.928 --> 00:18:45.259
You know you're supposed to be able to do this, devin, like I do me.

00:18:45.259 --> 00:18:47.207
You know you're supposed to do this, devin, I do me.

00:18:47.207 --> 00:18:49.400
That was his whole thing the whole time.

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But without those change agents, older generations, if they don't learn to hear, not to hear the resistance, because I think a lot of times we get caught in conflict, because we get caught in the fight when really you need to step back and say where is the change that they're suggesting, trying to lead me, yeah, and is it somewhere that we need to go?

00:19:19.162 --> 00:19:21.920
I think it's a little bit of a callback to our conversation.

00:19:21.920 --> 00:19:23.707
This isn't a generational thing.

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Bit of a callback to our conversation.

00:19:27.182 --> 00:19:27.282
It's.

00:19:27.282 --> 00:19:28.346
This isn't a generational thing, but conversation.

00:19:28.365 --> 00:19:49.162
In the Remember the Titans episode, you got to know when it's your time to move over, like and allow for different leadership and for different moments and different seasons, and that's part of being a leader, Like, I have to understand this isn't my time or I just need to make space for other leaders to come in and and shine.

00:19:49.162 --> 00:20:05.248
And and, quite frankly, I think this is a um, you know, I think we talked about this before, but being in the kind of role I'm in and the family I'm in of somebody who's a pastor and, um, we talk about this stuff all the time.

00:20:05.248 --> 00:20:29.085
Just transitions, transitional leadership In the next 10 years, you're going to have a major transition in churches, companies, nonprofits of either founders or long-term leaders from that older, more established, more traditional compared to the generations under them, their leadership.

00:20:29.085 --> 00:20:31.372
It's going to be a major shift, right?

00:20:31.372 --> 00:20:36.048
Partly and part of that is part of it is going to.

00:20:36.670 --> 00:20:46.515
Let me say it like this a lot of places won't make it because you have not, you've held on for too long, right.

00:20:47.182 --> 00:20:53.867
So older leaders have held on for too long and have not properly prepared younger leaders to actually be in leadership.

00:20:53.867 --> 00:21:14.304
You've held them off and held them back, and so you're really you're stifling the existence even of whatever thing you are leading by staying too long and by not moving over, by not making space.

00:21:14.304 --> 00:21:22.509
And especially nowadays, things are changing much faster than they were when we were in high school.

00:21:22.509 --> 00:21:38.791
Like, if we were in high school today, it's very possible that we would move more quickly in our career path than we did then.

00:21:38.791 --> 00:21:56.228
Right, what took us 15 years to get to, maybe would have taken half that time, yeah, Now Right, so things are moving faster, which means you have younger people coming into spaces and spaces of leadership a lot quicker and less prepared.

00:21:56.228 --> 00:22:18.844
And so we need to, as older leaders, if that, if that's you get start early making space, because it's going to happen, and if we want the thing that we contribute to building to remain, then it's best that we stop trying to fight it, you know what I mean.

00:22:18.963 --> 00:22:33.869
Yeah, first, an absolutely just amazing example of that leadership transition kind of in play in current and a current example is TD Jakes and Sarah.

00:22:33.869 --> 00:22:44.294
Jakes, you know, and how, you know, we literally watch the mantle shift Right, and, and, and she was prepared for them.

00:22:44.294 --> 00:22:55.318
Not only was she prepared for the moment, she was committed to, to her own growth in the moment that she was in, before she got to the moment.

00:23:05.380 --> 00:23:12.681
You know, she, she was already building herself, whether or not she was going to get, whether or not she was going to end up becoming the leader of the Potter House Right, that was, that was irrelevant to the development that she was doing for herself by herself, right.

00:23:12.681 --> 00:23:25.828
But the moment and I think that that's a that's a thing that a lot of a lot of leaders miss is that we keep thinking about how we want to be elevated to this or that, but what are you doing in the moment where no one sees you?

00:23:25.828 --> 00:23:30.628
What are you doing in the moment where you don't have the big platform?

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You know, what are you?

00:23:31.811 --> 00:23:43.861
One thing, you know, I think about and it's not me bragging on myself, because it's probably crazy, but when I was in college and I had a radio show, you did have a radio show, I did have a radio show.

00:23:43.901 --> 00:23:48.704
A lot of people today still ask me if I'm in radio.

00:23:48.704 --> 00:23:50.886
They say you have a radio voice.

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And I'm like, well, you know, I did have a radio show for a year but I remember they told us, they told everybody who had a show.

00:23:59.554 --> 00:24:05.582
They're like, hey, the station is broken, we don't think it's actually reaching anyone, we don't think anyone can hear you.

00:24:05.582 --> 00:24:09.070
I still went up there every Monday, you did every Monday.

00:24:09.070 --> 00:24:10.261
I prepared a show.

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I had my set list and I have.

00:24:12.467 --> 00:24:21.571
It was called encouragement radio and I had my encouraging word at the end because my thought was Lord, what if somebody?

00:24:21.571 --> 00:24:23.762
What if it does work and they don't know it?

00:24:23.762 --> 00:24:26.411
And what if someone is depending on us?

00:24:26.411 --> 00:24:27.383
And what if you know?

00:24:27.383 --> 00:24:29.382
That was the way my mind worked and that is.

00:24:29.883 --> 00:24:33.255
I have to continue to bring that example back to myself.

00:24:33.255 --> 00:24:44.723
When I get in spaces where I feel like I can slack off, I feel like, eh, nobody really paying no attention anyway, or this ain't really going to help anybody, so I don't really need to do it.

00:24:44.723 --> 00:24:54.351
I have to be reminded that it's what you do in the moments that are unseen, that build you up for the moments where you are on a platform.

00:24:54.351 --> 00:24:55.652
You know what I'm saying.

00:24:55.652 --> 00:24:59.287
That's highly visible and I think that we've also been like that with the podcast.

00:24:59.287 --> 00:25:01.111
You know there's been some episodes.

00:25:01.111 --> 00:25:01.952
We'll know who watched.

00:25:01.952 --> 00:25:05.324
No idea, you know no idea.

00:25:05.324 --> 00:25:22.790
But I think that that's one thing that the movie points to is that consistency is a requirement, like it is not about how talented you are, it's about how consistent Can we consistency and dependable right?

00:25:22.790 --> 00:25:31.093
Like can we depend on you to show up for the moment, right, and can you consistently deliver the same results in different settings?

00:25:32.601 --> 00:25:43.027
Um, and I think this is a good pivot to Devin, because what you, what you were describing with the Sarah Jakes situation?

00:25:43.027 --> 00:25:44.250
Sarah Jakes Roberts.

00:25:45.050 --> 00:25:45.833
Sarah Jakes Roberts.

00:25:50.292 --> 00:26:17.388
I think it's an excellent example, real time, because she developed, she had her own story and then, when she came onto the scene, as we knew it, she was coming into a system and even though she had her own story, her own style, she had to work within the system, and so we weren't behind the scenes.

00:26:17.460 --> 00:26:54.778
We don't know what happened right as far as like how that worked and some of the challenges I would imagine, because there are challenges everywhere Um, when you kind of have the way you do things and like it's worked for you, and then you get onto it, you know, into a new space or new level, whatever you want to, however, you want to say it, um, and then your way is, then people, other people, try to fit your way into their system and it's like yo, I need to be free to do me.

00:26:54.778 --> 00:26:59.661
You know what I'm saying, what you know, devin's, like you know, I can't nobody teach me how to do me.

00:26:59.661 --> 00:27:00.914
I do me, you know.

00:27:00.914 --> 00:27:08.663
And what, dr Lee, and this is the, this is the you say all the time this is the necessity of mentorship.

00:27:08.663 --> 00:27:19.082
You need people who will, who will look you in the eye and say doing you got you this far, but it will get you no further.

00:27:19.082 --> 00:27:21.730
You doing you get you this far, but it will get you no further.

00:27:23.335 --> 00:27:26.262
This is what you have come to the end you've come to the end.

00:27:26.523 --> 00:27:31.435
Yeah, and what Devin needed to do, that he didn't want to do, is he had to learn a new skill.

00:27:31.435 --> 00:27:33.119
He had to learn to read music.

00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:44.661
And it wasn't that dr lee was saying that just because he wanted him to read music, because he just believed in reading music so much he knew that where devin could go, he can't go.

00:27:44.661 --> 00:27:47.892
If he doesn't read, he can't do it yeah, you can't.

00:27:48.311 --> 00:28:00.125
you know, I'm saying, you can even walk outside, like if you do join an ensemble or become a famous drummer or something, if they say hey, we're playing this, this piece, let's run it.

00:28:00.125 --> 00:28:02.133
Well you can't run it.

00:28:02.453 --> 00:28:10.980
Can't run it, can't run it, you can't, you don't, and that that's, and I think it's such a, it's such an important thing, right?

00:28:10.980 --> 00:28:16.516
For those who aren't as familiar with the, with the plot, devin is a is a freshman coming to college.

00:28:16.516 --> 00:28:20.691
He's a brilliant, you know, percussionist and he's on the band.

00:28:20.691 --> 00:28:22.535
He's better than everybody else.

00:28:22.535 --> 00:28:34.662
He clearly is better, um, and we get to this uh moment in the movie where, um, his uh section leader which we'll talk about in a second he's jealous of him.

00:28:34.662 --> 00:28:39.939
He calls him out Big brother, man, big brother, he calls him out for not being able to read music.

00:28:39.939 --> 00:28:41.837
And that's one of the requirements to be on the band.

00:28:41.837 --> 00:28:45.838
And so Dr Lee basically was like you're going to be.

00:28:45.838 --> 00:28:50.732
He didn't kick him off, but he did say I'm dropping you from, basically, level one to level four.

00:28:50.732 --> 00:28:53.556
You won't be on the field until you take this class.

00:28:53.556 --> 00:28:57.480
And he's like I'm not taking no class, can't no class, teach me how to do me.

00:28:57.480 --> 00:29:05.126
And it's like hey, bro, if you want to keep doing this, you're going to have to take the class, like, because you need to learn how to do this.

00:29:05.126 --> 00:29:24.913
And I think for your, this is where this idea of talent and like there are, are and I say this all the time in memphis, because it's true, I and I ain't just saying this, people say this everywhere memphis, I think, has the most musical talent anywhere.

00:29:24.913 --> 00:29:27.040
I could think of just natural talent.

00:29:27.040 --> 00:29:28.346
It's just in the water, it's.

00:29:28.346 --> 00:29:29.670
It's crazy.

00:29:30.953 --> 00:29:33.580
Um, I became a better musician because I moved here.

00:29:33.580 --> 00:29:37.381
I did, like I started playing with people that were just better than me.

00:29:37.381 --> 00:29:39.979
Just, it's just like they, just they just knew what they were doing.

00:29:39.979 --> 00:29:50.555
One of the reasons I could do that, though, is because because I learned how to do, I was trained musically Right.

00:29:50.555 --> 00:29:54.201
A lot of people I played with weren't necessarily trained musically like that.

00:29:54.201 --> 00:29:57.837
They didn't go to school, they didn't go through the classes I did.

00:29:57.837 --> 00:30:03.473
It's the only reason I could even hang with them, and so I like and I use that as an example it's like you.

00:30:03.473 --> 00:30:04.241
I needed.

00:30:04.241 --> 00:30:04.949
I needed that.

00:30:04.949 --> 00:30:09.882
I have talent, but I needed I needed structure and teaching.

00:30:13.851 --> 00:30:16.675
I need a structure and teaching to get me to my next level, whatever.

00:30:16.675 --> 00:30:21.731
That is Right, and so um, for, for, for, and we know so many talented people there's.

00:30:21.731 --> 00:30:24.257
There's talented people on bill street.

00:30:24.257 --> 00:30:30.295
Me and my husband go on bill street every now and again, people playing like crazy.

00:30:30.295 --> 00:30:34.182
I mean, just like, why don't you have a deal?

00:30:34.182 --> 00:30:38.217
How is it that you aren't like crazy famous?

00:30:38.217 --> 00:30:48.557
I mean, just, these people are stupid talented and you've never heard of them and most people probably never will, and that's okay.

00:30:48.557 --> 00:31:01.176
But there's always something more you have to do to get past where you are, and if you're unwilling to do that, you'll always be where you are, no matter what your talent looks like.

00:31:01.176 --> 00:31:08.141
Like talent is really the first step, and so I think unlearning that talent is enough.

00:31:08.141 --> 00:31:11.542
It's not enough If you want to get further.

00:31:11.542 --> 00:31:12.391
It's not enough Now.

00:31:12.391 --> 00:31:13.357
If you cool with where you are cool, do your thing.

00:31:13.357 --> 00:31:14.969
If you want to get further, it's not enough now if you cool with where you are cool, do your thing.

00:31:15.430 --> 00:31:19.661
If you want to be big fish in a small pond, do it, absolutely do.

00:31:19.661 --> 00:31:38.182
And I will say, as an, you know, as an example, you know, I think about my uh, my first job in uh, when I switched over to student affairs and I was doing um campus, I was, you know, the first person who had done it at Greenville Tech.

00:31:38.182 --> 00:31:41.837
In like five, six years, started completely from scratch.

00:31:41.837 --> 00:31:44.615
It's a smaller technical school, you know.

00:31:44.615 --> 00:31:57.444
And so everything I did there made a big splash and it was easy because I'm naturally, you know, exuberant and you know, energetic and charismatic and I'm fun.

00:31:57.444 --> 00:31:59.958
Ok, I'm a ton of fun.

00:31:59.958 --> 00:32:06.202
Ok, I'm going to make sure, I'm going to make sure everybody around me is having a fantastic time.

00:32:06.202 --> 00:32:08.377
It really doesn't matter what we're doing.

00:32:08.770 --> 00:32:17.895
And the first year, I would say the first couple of months, I emceed all the events until I could get my students trained to do it.

00:32:17.895 --> 00:32:23.239
Like I was like, hey, I need y'all to do it, like I do it, but I'm going to, I'm going to train y'all up.

00:32:23.239 --> 00:32:27.290
But I emceed all the events because I knew I could keep the energy.

00:32:27.290 --> 00:32:28.432
I could da, da, da, da, da.

00:32:28.432 --> 00:32:57.137
You know, I knew I could, I could lead that momentum when I got to the bigger school that I'm at now and I went from being a team of me and an administrative assistant to a team of 17 people who do what I did in different ways, 17 people who were over involvement in leadership initiatives, who were over involvement in leadership initiatives and all of a sudden, I was no longer that girl.

00:32:57.778 --> 00:33:04.462
You know, like when I was on campus and it was just me, my assistant and my students, it was like, oh yeah, she that girl.

00:33:04.462 --> 00:33:09.007
You know what I'm saying when Jaquita show up, things about to shift, things about to happen.

00:33:09.007 --> 00:33:09.867
You know what I'm saying.

00:33:09.867 --> 00:33:16.913
We know it's going to be a great time.

00:33:16.913 --> 00:33:18.737
Now I'm on a team of 17 people and everybody's amazing, you know.

00:33:18.737 --> 00:33:27.798
And so it took me a moment because I realized that my ability was not going to be what helped me to be a person of impact.

00:33:27.798 --> 00:33:34.903
It was going to be my development and my willingness to shift and pivot and grow.

00:33:34.903 --> 00:33:49.246
Yeah, but if you think, if I had come into this bigger school that has a more national profile and is known for its student experience you know the Greenville Tech when I was at the technical school and nobody was like you know what?

00:33:49.892 --> 00:33:51.798
I'm going to that technical school to have a good time.

00:33:51.798 --> 00:33:54.896
Right, I'm going there for my student experience.

00:33:54.896 --> 00:33:57.394
Nobody's thinking that these people got jobs.

00:33:57.694 --> 00:33:58.858
Right, you know these people grown.

00:33:58.858 --> 00:34:00.318
Most of them, some of them got kids.

00:34:00.318 --> 00:34:01.428
You know what I'm saying.

00:34:01.468 --> 00:34:32.554
Yeah, Like they're not like, yeah, I'm going to grade, but now I'm at this place where we, a lot of times, when we shift from being in these places because even in high school, you know, devin was that guy, anybody who could get away during, during a graduation, with doing their own thing, right, when he did that.

00:34:32.554 --> 00:34:44.992
But he's introduced to us as a I only want to do what I enjoy, right, I only, and I and I and I want to be the person that makes the big splash, that's it.

00:34:44.992 --> 00:34:51.373
You know, I want to be that person, but a lot of it is, you know, and the movie shows us.

00:34:51.373 --> 00:34:54.632
It's like they're like we got to put the scene in the movie, so we know that.

00:34:54.632 --> 00:34:56.619
You know where Devin's issues come from.

00:34:56.619 --> 00:34:57.161
You know.

00:34:57.161 --> 00:35:00.269
So, like after graduation, he tells his mama you know what I'm saying.

00:35:00.269 --> 00:35:01.556
I'll be home in a little bit.

00:35:01.556 --> 00:35:03.277
You know I got something I got to do.

00:35:03.277 --> 00:35:06.318
I was never able to just tell my mom I got something I got to do.

00:35:06.760 --> 00:35:14.072
No, without explanation.

00:35:14.072 --> 00:35:14.556
The nation what is that?

00:35:14.556 --> 00:35:16.230
Yeah, exactly, where are you going and where will you be and what time you come back?

00:35:16.769 --> 00:35:18.672
Yeah, like it was hey, I got something.

00:35:18.672 --> 00:35:19.496
I gotta do.

00:35:19.496 --> 00:35:20.057
What?

00:35:20.057 --> 00:35:21.856
No, absolutely not.

00:35:21.856 --> 00:35:27.416
What you gotta do is come home, but nevertheless, y'all know me, in this air pod we be struggling.

00:35:27.416 --> 00:35:50.637
But you know he goes and he pulls up to a train station or a bus goes and he pulls up to a train station or a bus station, subway Sure, you know he's in New York, you know I'm from South Carolina, we ain't got no subway, but nevertheless he and he puts, he puts his graduation announcement in the window and this man is like what is this?

00:35:50.637 --> 00:35:51.059
Right?

00:35:51.059 --> 00:35:55.900
It's like, sir, look at at the name, the name is on it.

00:35:55.900 --> 00:35:58.958
And then he says I'm devon, and he was.

00:35:58.958 --> 00:36:05.474
He still looks at him like how absentee of a father could you be that?

00:36:05.474 --> 00:36:08.000
You looking at your own child like how?

00:36:08.079 --> 00:36:09.543
long have you been out of his life?

00:36:09.543 --> 00:36:11.172
It had to have been a long time.

00:36:11.172 --> 00:36:12.335
He didn't recognize the, the man.

00:36:12.335 --> 00:36:14.119
He's a man now Shoot.

00:36:14.699 --> 00:36:19.800
It's crazy, it's bananas, but it shows all of that resentment.

00:36:19.800 --> 00:36:24.050
He held all of that until he graduated.

00:36:24.050 --> 00:36:31.099
And it goes back to this I need to prove myself, motif that Devin has.

00:36:31.099 --> 00:36:36.414
He's like, hey, I graduated, I ain't got no kids, I'm going to college, you know.

00:36:36.414 --> 00:36:50.536
Then they, like, they got to tell us that he going to college, atlanta A&T was hilarious to me as the name of a college, right, atlanta A&T, like okay, so you know, I'm going to Atlanta A&T on a full scholarship, you know.

00:36:50.536 --> 00:37:02.402
And so it it that that that moment that we see in that subway it's propelled forward in his moments with other characters throughout the movie.

00:37:02.402 --> 00:37:03.411
Right, it's.

00:37:03.411 --> 00:37:05.956
I don't have to prove anything, I did it by myself.

00:37:05.956 --> 00:37:08.992
I don't need no music class, I did it by myself.

00:37:08.992 --> 00:37:11.257
I don't need your instruction, your guidance.

00:37:11.257 --> 00:37:22.335
You ain't my daddy, I don't need you Right, because I did it by myself, because that that was what he learned to hold on to in order to make himself feel worthy.

00:37:22.815 --> 00:37:29.454
But the, the, the band's model is one band, one sound, right, and so now it becomes.

00:37:29.454 --> 00:37:48.632
And I think when we look at and I'm sorry, ruth, I'm about to pass the mic in a moment, but I think when we look at kind of the structure of who's in what leadership spot and what their role is on this band, on this team, right, because this is literally one big team right, and so you have Dr Lee, who is he's at the top right.

00:37:48.632 --> 00:37:50.956
Who is he's at the top right?

00:37:50.956 --> 00:38:02.911
He is not doing the one-on-one development with these newbies, with these freshmen.

00:38:02.911 --> 00:38:04.353
That's why he has section leaders and drum majors, right.

00:38:04.353 --> 00:38:05.255
He comes in every once in a while.

00:38:05.255 --> 00:38:06.639
He's like all right, now, follow me, he does whatever.

00:38:07.039 --> 00:38:13.485
But really it is the job of the section leader to develop the people that's in their sections.

00:38:13.485 --> 00:38:15.590
Hello, middle management.

00:38:15.590 --> 00:38:20.440
Yeah, all right, listen, y'all know I am a believer in middle management.

00:38:20.440 --> 00:38:22.371
Right, because it is not.

00:38:22.510 --> 00:38:36.523
Dr lee cannot get down on the ground and start developing the leadership potential and the and the and the ability to to walk out purpose and destiny within the confines of a team.

00:38:36.523 --> 00:38:39.516
He cannot do that with every single person on the band.

00:38:39.516 --> 00:38:43.271
That's why he has established an order that allows that to happen.

00:38:43.271 --> 00:38:51.936
He is trying to set the vision and the direction of where the band is going to go and how they're going to show up in their next season, in their next thing, right.

00:38:51.936 --> 00:39:04.442
Then we have Sean, who we haven't talked about yet, but section leader, right, he is supposed to be developing, right, and so he's having a one-on-one clash with this man.

00:39:04.442 --> 00:39:18.565
We don't really get to know much about Sean's story, right, but we know Devin's story and Devin is clashing with this authority that is trying, that is trying to tell him that he can only fit in if he does this one thing.

00:39:18.565 --> 00:39:35.690
Yeah, and so I think it's important that we, that we realize where we sit on a team and what our responsibility is in those different roles different roles.

00:39:35.710 --> 00:39:42.748
So I'd like to go back for just a second to to the, to the talent conversation, because I think this is important for younger leaders, um to don't ruse it back to my point.

00:39:46.554 --> 00:39:52.699
No, no, no, no no, no, no, no, no.

00:39:52.699 --> 00:40:08.217
I thought about it as you were talking, because this one of the things I used to when I taught, taught piano to kids, one of the things that I used to tell them was I used to tell their parents, I used to ask their parents, I said what are they?

00:40:08.217 --> 00:40:09.561
Why do they want to learn this?

00:40:09.561 --> 00:40:11.577
Like, why do they want to take piano lessons?

00:40:11.577 --> 00:40:14.871
And um, because I would explain.

00:40:14.871 --> 00:40:24.969
I said there is a difference between learning a song or learning songs and learning music, and I can do either one, but you need to tell me which one, because it's two different paths.

00:40:24.969 --> 00:40:29.496
Right, and what I found is that most students want to learn songs.

00:40:29.496 --> 00:40:31.900
Yeah, totally understandable.

00:40:31.900 --> 00:40:44.992
Yeah, because you want to be able to do what Devin was doing, you want to be able to be the star of the show, you want to be able to make the splash, you know, you want to be able to shine, right, and like, hey, guys, look what I can do.

00:40:44.992 --> 00:40:57.576
Yeah, learning music is about learning language, it's about learning communication, it's an art, it's a, it's art and skill, um, and you have to develop that over time.

00:40:57.576 --> 00:41:13.476
And so I, I understood the difference my my teacher when I got to her, uh, in high school she would tell me I was so used to being with teachers who've just kind of let me get away with learning songs.

00:41:13.476 --> 00:41:16.262
I was a lot like Devin in that I was not a great sheet music.

00:41:16.262 --> 00:41:16.784
I wasn't a great.

00:41:16.784 --> 00:41:32.614
I didn't read music well, I could very easily watch somebody play and do what they did and I memorized it really quickly so I didn't have to read the music right and that was kind of what I did.

00:41:32.614 --> 00:41:40.443
Well, and a lot of my teachers most of my teachers let me get away with that and people were like, oh my gosh, you know, she's so good man not really.

00:41:40.443 --> 00:41:45.038
I just know how to play songs really well because I practice them and I memorize them Well.

00:41:45.038 --> 00:41:49.632
My teacher in high school she, she's the one who taught me how to do music.

00:41:49.632 --> 00:42:06.393
She taught me how to become a musician, which was much more than learning songs, and the key to that process is really repetition on things that you don't understand at the time.

00:42:06.393 --> 00:42:12.646
It's patterns and repetition patterns and repetition and repetition patterns and repetition patterns and repetition.

00:42:12.646 --> 00:42:25.083
I spent more hours doing warmups and scales than I did learning my pieces, but when I got to the piece I was a lot better at it because I did all that pre-work.

00:42:32.670 --> 00:42:56.032
My point is, if you are, as a leader, if you are not practicing the little things over and over and over and over and over and over and over again, if you are not being repetitive, if you're not reading the books, if you're not, you know, meeting with the mentor, if you are not like, disciplined in some version of learning and study on things that have nothing to do with the moment, forget the moment.

00:42:56.032 --> 00:43:00.202
It's not about that Like you've got to be prepared for that.

00:43:00.202 --> 00:43:05.380
So when the moment comes, you're always ready for it and it won't take you.

00:43:05.380 --> 00:43:18.077
I don't have to sit there and stare and feel like, oh, or watch somebody else do it before I do it Right, because I'm not prepared, and so that preparation is over time.

00:43:18.077 --> 00:43:23.516
It's development and I think that as young leaders sometimes we can be we want.

00:43:23.516 --> 00:43:27.190
We're so ready for the moment, for us to shine, for us to do our thing.

00:43:27.190 --> 00:43:34.103
You know for us to, for our project to get pushed to the front, for our idea to be implemented.

00:43:34.952 --> 00:43:44.257
But you haven't been doing the little things, you aren't on time, you haven't turned in your paperwork, you didn't read the article you're supposed to read.

00:43:44.257 --> 00:43:57.181
You didn't come to the meeting prepared, but you want your idea, but your idea is great and it's a great idea, but I can't get you to a meeting on time, I can't get you to answer emails Right Like that.

00:43:57.181 --> 00:43:58.903
That kind of those seem small.

00:43:58.903 --> 00:44:04.588
But if you want the moment, you have to do the little stuff.

00:44:04.588 --> 00:44:13.701
You got to do the little stuff and so I just wanted to just put put a point on that, because your talent is not again.

00:44:13.701 --> 00:44:18.177
Talent is is level one and if you're stuck on talent, you're on level one.

00:44:18.177 --> 00:44:29.396
Um, you're on level one and uh so, but yeah, that's Devin, and he learned, he got there but, like you said, quinta took conflict to get there.

00:44:30.050 --> 00:44:44.452
Um and that, that, that particular that particular that that prop, that big conflict was with sean um, also known as big brother, iron man big brother iron man um, who listen, sean I?

00:44:44.452 --> 00:44:47.556
He didn't smile until the last like 15, that's so true.

00:44:47.635 --> 00:44:57.713
He actually didn't smile like he was so, but a really serious guy, you know very serious, like stuck you know, stick up your butt.

00:44:57.753 --> 00:44:58.335
Kind of dude.

00:44:58.335 --> 00:45:10.358
I mean he really was kind of like do you that's funny, because that's a line that the other band director said about dr lee yeah so you still true?

00:45:10.717 --> 00:45:19.306
Yeah, yeah, but in a way that is like you know, dr Lee was principled.

00:45:19.306 --> 00:45:22.253
Yeah, sean is.

00:45:22.253 --> 00:45:27.259
He was a little like power he wanted to be powerful, yes, right.

00:45:27.259 --> 00:45:28.913
He wanted the.

00:45:28.913 --> 00:45:36.952
You know every time they laughed, you know he took the fun right out of it and you know like when.

00:45:36.952 --> 00:45:38.536
Oh my God, the white drum.

00:45:38.536 --> 00:45:39.898
I can't remember his name right now.

00:45:39.898 --> 00:45:41.382
Hilarious.

00:45:41.422 --> 00:45:41.963
Yeah, he's great.

00:45:41.963 --> 00:45:42.824
Jason, Jason, Jason.

00:45:43.110 --> 00:45:43.590
Yeah he was.

00:45:43.590 --> 00:45:47.141
I could have been a P1 at UGA or Georgia Tech in a minute.

00:45:47.141 --> 00:45:52.202
And I was thinking in my mind, bro, you probably should have went to UGA or Georgia Tech.

00:45:52.202 --> 00:46:01.561
But when the drum major said they ain't got enough black people, and he said and no, sir, they don't have enough black people.

00:46:01.561 --> 00:46:05.896
And the whole band laughs and Sean goes now you done messed up the cake.

00:46:05.896 --> 00:46:14.994
Yeah, yeah, yeah, bro, we in the rain going boom, boom like bruh.

00:46:15.576 --> 00:46:16.737
What is the point?

00:46:16.737 --> 00:46:20.384
Right, like dr lee says, the band can take a break.

00:46:20.384 --> 00:46:23.338
Right, do you know?

00:46:23.338 --> 00:46:29.976
I don't see, you weren't on a marching band so you might not be familiar, but the breaks are few and far in between.

00:46:30.536 --> 00:46:40.121
You don't get a lot of breaks, right, they run you to the last, your last possible, your last mordicum of strength.

00:46:40.121 --> 00:46:41.423
You know your last?

00:46:41.423 --> 00:46:46.081
Wow, yeah, that's not a real word, right, but I was hoping you would just more, but you didn't.

00:46:46.081 --> 00:46:56.965
More soul, sure, sure, right, you're at your last teensy, weensy bit, yes, of strength, right, and then they finally say all right, five minute water break.

00:46:56.965 --> 00:46:58.190
Yeah, and that's all you get.

00:46:58.311 --> 00:47:06.255
You know, I'm saying so if you tell me I can't go on a water break because we do not rest with the bed but get out my face.

00:47:06.255 --> 00:47:18.358
Uh, fun fact, my mom, uh, at one point in my life's development, like they thought like I might have like a hole in my heart I didn't, but they thought that they heard something.

00:47:18.358 --> 00:47:28.980
And so my mom I have a vivid memory of my mother watched marching into the band director closing his door take I, he had like all glass.

00:47:28.980 --> 00:47:54.317
So I just hear her like, and what you gonna do is, and then the band director said came out and he was like you can have a water break whenever you'd like and if you and if you need to put your tuba down, you can put your tuba down, that's hilarious, and so I would like nobody else would be having a water break and I would just walk to the side Give me a sip, because my mama had my back.

00:47:54.697 --> 00:47:55.920
Okay, got me out here.

00:47:55.920 --> 00:47:58.679
You know it worked for my back.

00:47:58.679 --> 00:47:59.403
Okay, got me out here.

00:47:59.403 --> 00:48:03.536
You know it worked for my good, okay, but you know it was, it was.

00:48:03.536 --> 00:48:05.260
It was a power thing.

00:48:05.260 --> 00:48:07.213
Yeah, it was modicum.

00:48:07.213 --> 00:48:09.297
Thank you, thank you, I knew I was close.

00:48:09.297 --> 00:48:11.342
Thank you, thank you so much, producer joy.

00:48:11.342 --> 00:48:13.472
Right, it was, it was a power thing.

00:48:13.753 --> 00:48:17.460
Because to him, that's what, what leadership meant.

00:48:17.460 --> 00:48:21.373
It meant not only am I powerful, but I have control.

00:48:21.373 --> 00:48:24.260
I have control of who gets in the section.

00:48:24.260 --> 00:48:27.715
I have control of what they look like and what they do in the section.

00:48:27.715 --> 00:48:30.601
I have control of the personality of a section.

00:48:30.601 --> 00:48:37.583
And what I think every middle manager has to learn is that that is the first thing that you have to give up.

00:48:37.583 --> 00:49:01.387
You have to give up this idea because because he's not, you know, he, he, uh, in his mind, he thinks that he's focused on the line, but he's focused on the line as defined by him, by him right and Right, and again, each character was presented with a conflict that forced them to grow.

00:49:01.387 --> 00:49:04.478
Yeah Right, as soon as he saw Devin, he ain't want him.

00:49:04.478 --> 00:49:12.420
No, you know, I'm saying the dude is a beast, right, but it's not that, and I don't even think that it was that Devin was better than him.

00:49:12.420 --> 00:49:15.210
I think it was that Devin was influential.

00:49:15.269 --> 00:49:17.907
I think it was that Devin was influential.

00:49:17.907 --> 00:49:24.981
Yeah, I, yes, I think that's part I do, I do, but I still think that he's better, him being better than him.

00:49:25.230 --> 00:49:34.460
He didn't know that at first Devin hadn't played anything, like they didn't get a drum until like the second day well, that's true.

00:49:34.460 --> 00:49:47.436
Well, he was very defiant, like he was, just like, yes, he was defiant, he was not gonna, he was not going to fit into his little mold and do do the things that he wanted done in the way that he wanted to.

00:49:47.456 --> 00:49:50.597
He wasn't scared of him and he wasn't scared of him and he couldn't be controlled.

00:49:50.597 --> 00:49:59.059
I mean to your point yes he couldn't be controlled and that I think you're right, like he definitely did, did not, he did not like that and he didn't know how to handle that Right.

00:49:59.579 --> 00:50:00.721
And so well.

00:50:00.721 --> 00:50:23.798
I think this is the mistake that we as leaders can easily make is that when someone comes in and they present themselves as different, different, defiant, stubborn, won't fit in, we form a thought that says you are a threat.

00:50:23.798 --> 00:50:25.639
And what do you do with threats?

00:50:25.639 --> 00:50:26.820
You eliminate them.

00:50:26.820 --> 00:50:36.463
So the entire first half of the movie he is creating setups to get this man to break what know what's the last rule in the rule book?

00:50:36.463 --> 00:50:40.806
All right, if you don't shave your head, you can't be on the band.

00:50:40.806 --> 00:50:42.766
If you don't like it, leave.

00:50:42.907 --> 00:50:50.597
You know he got him polishing the drums, knowing good and well, you wouldn't ask any other P1 to be back there polishing the drums.

00:50:50.597 --> 00:51:00.280
Actually, I just really feel like everyone can polish their own drum, like I just really feel like having one person polish all the drums is ridiculous.

00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:04.735
I polish my own too, but every time, okay, we all did.

00:51:04.735 --> 00:51:05.592
I'm not.

00:51:05.592 --> 00:51:11.251
We're not sending no one person in there to polish, but anyways, that's neither here nor there, you know.

00:51:11.251 --> 00:51:14.501
But you know like he's creating.

00:51:14.501 --> 00:51:15.815
You want my solo?

00:51:15.815 --> 00:51:16.217
Take it.

00:51:16.217 --> 00:51:18.336
You know he gonna freeze like any other freshman.

00:51:18.356 --> 00:51:28.123
Yeah, right, and all his little setups kept backfiring, right, because you're trying so hard instead of cultivating, our becoming.

00:51:28.123 --> 00:51:30.858
And this is where I think we all hit.

00:51:30.858 --> 00:51:40.653
And I think, ruth, this is where you and I hit, at one point where we realized that the type of leader that we were was not going to be effective for for the team that we had.

00:51:40.653 --> 00:51:53.909
Yes, and you get to a point where you, your power, you're controlling, your do as I say don't ask me any questions, don't, don't, don't buck against anything.

00:51:53.909 --> 00:52:03.257
That's not gonna work when you have, especially when we're thinking about it in terms of generation, from generation to generation, that ain't going to work.

00:52:03.257 --> 00:52:05.498
Y'all go talk to Gen Z like that if you want to.

00:52:06.170 --> 00:52:16.905
No, you're absolutely right, and I think the thing as I'm playing back the movie in my head, he eventually gets there.

00:52:16.905 --> 00:52:22.414
The movie in my head, um, he eventually gets there.

00:52:22.414 --> 00:52:38.684
But sean could have avoided a lot of this by thinking but by getting out of his um doer bag and get into his delegation bag, when the fact that he said I'm gonna teach two things he did, he said, said I'm going to teach you the part right before my solo.

00:52:39.931 --> 00:52:40.150
Yeah.

00:52:40.331 --> 00:52:50.570
Right, like like him saying that when you have somebody who is better than you at something as a leader, there's.

00:52:50.570 --> 00:52:52.213
There's two options he could have had there.

00:52:52.213 --> 00:52:58.105
He could have said I'm going to have Devin teach y'all this part by my last solo.

00:52:58.105 --> 00:52:58.449
He's.

00:52:58.449 --> 00:53:03.597
It's very complicated because Devin knew it and he, as a leader, you should know that.

00:53:03.597 --> 00:53:06.889
He knows it because you you heard him already.

00:53:06.889 --> 00:53:08.054
You know he knows this.

00:53:08.054 --> 00:53:09.298
You saw his audition right.

00:53:09.298 --> 00:53:11.735
The second way is give him the solo.

00:53:11.735 --> 00:53:13.740
Devin, I'm going to give you this solo.

00:53:13.740 --> 00:53:16.351
Now that what he.

00:53:16.351 --> 00:53:27.405
But but because of his perception of what leadership was and I think at that point, his insecurity, he didn't make a good decision.

00:53:27.405 --> 00:53:32.342
He just created a barrier between him and the line.

00:53:32.342 --> 00:53:34.777
I mean he was really just doing that.

00:53:34.849 --> 00:53:36.150
He was just continuing to do that.

00:53:36.552 --> 00:53:52.766
And so I think that, as as leaders you have, you have to watch out for the moment that is presented to you, to hand over opportunities to the more talented people and to people who are in that space.

00:53:52.766 --> 00:53:55.088
That where they need to flex their talent.

00:53:55.088 --> 00:53:59.112
Yeah, as a, as he had been on that for three years, he'd need to flex his talent.

00:53:59.112 --> 00:54:06.601
He, he knew what he could do and other people knew what he could do, but you have freshmen who need to flex their talent because they're not leaders yet.

00:54:06.601 --> 00:54:27.260
You're not there, but if I don't um create space for you to shine, you're going to bust out and do exactly what devin did and you're just going to buff the system, because that's what you're going to bust out and do exactly what Devin did, and you're just gonna buff the system, because that's what you're craving and that's part of being a leader is watching that, and noticing that and saying, okay, here you go, I'm gonna give you this right.

00:54:27.440 --> 00:54:32.601
Yeah he eventually does do that and not give it in a like I'm gonna watch him fail.

00:54:32.601 --> 00:54:33.746
No, not like that.

00:54:33.746 --> 00:54:34.989
And that was the problem.

00:54:34.989 --> 00:54:39.434
You know, he called, he kept calling him a hothead and I was like that's such a funny term.

00:54:39.434 --> 00:54:47.639
But like you know, like he was like a thug, you know a hothead, it's like, first of all, when you look back at the movie, I was like Nick Cannon, a thug come on.

00:54:47.639 --> 00:54:50.797
Let's be for real.

00:54:51.369 --> 00:54:53.614
All right, this was not Boys in the hood, correct?

00:54:53.614 --> 00:55:00.498
All right, this was a young man who you know could throw a temper tantrum every once in a while.

00:55:01.195 --> 00:55:01.887
You know what I'm saying?

00:55:01.909 --> 00:55:03.797
Yeah, the straight backs, the straight backs.

00:55:03.797 --> 00:55:06.793
Let me tell you something Nick Cannon invented, like every.

00:55:06.793 --> 00:55:09.114
We still call me and my sister call them the Nick Cannons.

00:55:09.114 --> 00:55:10.880
Hey, you got them, nick Cannons.

00:55:10.880 --> 00:55:15.235
Okay, the straight backs, with no hang time.

00:55:15.355 --> 00:55:15.777
Okay.

00:55:19.130 --> 00:55:22.742
Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, the straight backs with no hang time, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know the, the, the, our generation went in with that, but you know it's funny.

00:55:22.742 --> 00:55:27.983
You know we didn't have stitch braids, okay, we didn't have cute cornrows back in our time.

00:55:27.983 --> 00:55:30.534
All right, they just braided it straight back and that's all you got.

00:55:30.534 --> 00:55:30.976
That's it.

00:55:30.976 --> 00:55:34.429
Um, and shout out to nick cannon who cut his hair for a movie.

00:55:34.429 --> 00:55:37.498
You know, I always like seeing people do stuff like that.

00:55:37.498 --> 00:55:38.061
True, he did.

00:55:38.269 --> 00:55:41.139
You know like yeah you know I take a haircut for a check.

00:55:41.679 --> 00:55:43.271
Absolutely, and he also.

00:55:43.271 --> 00:55:48.875
He may have grown his hair for a movie, you know, nah, because Did he already have the cornrows?

00:55:49.570 --> 00:55:51.175
I feel like he did Maybe.

00:55:51.175 --> 00:55:53.596
Yeah, and that's a lot of hair growth.

00:55:53.596 --> 00:56:04.590
It is quite a bit.

00:56:04.590 --> 00:56:07.454
Yeah, it was quite a bit, but I think that, like Sean, because he typecasted him, it allowed him to only treat him one way.

00:56:07.474 --> 00:56:13.405
And you know, the thing that came to my mind was like when you are thinking about who's on your team, you should be able to do SWOT analysis for the people.

00:56:13.405 --> 00:56:35.717
You should know what their strengths are, you should know what their weaknesses are, you should know the opportunities that they can grow in and that they can flourish in, and you should know what's going to threaten their ability to develop and not see them as a threat but say what is it that is going to threaten your ability to thrive, but that is going to threaten your ability to thrive?

00:56:35.717 --> 00:56:48.016
But that is the part of leadership that he was missing was that leadership is not about me being great or the line being great.

00:56:48.016 --> 00:57:08.871
Leadership is about me continuously thinking of ways to create pathways for your success that's right and for the flourishing of us as a team, but also for the team does not flourish unless every individual right and his line was like when he sold him out that scene where he was like Devin got it.

00:57:08.871 --> 00:57:10.077
I want to hear Devin play it.

00:57:10.317 --> 00:57:10.577
Yeah.

00:57:10.639 --> 00:57:13.434
Right, like everything you're saying, that he could have done.

00:57:13.434 --> 00:57:16.737
Right, sean did, but he did it with the wrong intent.

00:57:16.737 --> 00:57:17.360
Yeah, that he could have done.

00:57:17.380 --> 00:57:18.804
Right, sean did, but he did it with the wrong intent.

00:57:18.804 --> 00:57:25.822
Right, he did it with an intent to expose, when the very function of leadership is to cover.

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It's to cover that while you're developing, you are in a safe place where I got your back and I know because I'm the leader and because, as the leader, I have probably been where you are in a lot of different ways.

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I know you're not going to get everything right.

00:57:44.559 --> 00:57:47.152
I know you're going to fail at some stuff.

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I know some of your ideas are not going to go all the way through.

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I know again, I have a SWOT analysis for you.

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I know what your potential drawbacks are.

00:57:57.583 --> 00:57:58.954
I know that.

00:57:59.570 --> 00:58:21.494
But if I, as a leader, decide to expose that in a way that jeopardizes your future, right, and he was so set in his mind that he was doing the right thing, and that was what was problematic is that you became focused on eliminating somebody instead of covering them.

00:58:21.494 --> 00:58:33.322
And how much different would your attitude toward him have been if your mindset was already set on covering development, creating opportunities.

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If you had been that type of leader, what type of follower would Devin have been?

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I?

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think it's worth asking the question how, what prevents people from becoming that kind of leader?

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And and ask like why, why wouldn't he have done that?

00:58:52.077 --> 00:58:58.025
And and I think one of the answers is true is insecurity.

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I mean, when you don't have the confidence and of when you don't have confidence in yourself, you leave room for that kind of behavior.

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And so you know, and asking yourself, just continue to ask yourself these questions, like what threatens your confidence?

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Like what threatens your confidence, what makes you not confident?

00:59:16.893 --> 00:59:40.204
And making sure that you are taking time to taking time to eliminate that particular barrier for yourself, so that you never get into a place to where your insecurity is insecurity, because people, you'll, nobody grows like that, nobody grows like that.

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And so I think for Sean, he had to.

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I think for Sean and this was a this was from a moment in the movie that actually hadn't caught before Like where he was, they were in the band room and and and devin comes in and he wants to.

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You know he had been kicked off the band because he started a fight with.

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He technically didn't start the fight, he, he instigated it, but he ain't started um, and so uh, with the with another band, and so dr lee kicks him off and he listens to these tapes that his dad sends him in the mail.

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And then I love that connecting point.

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I'm healed now but that's important.

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You gotta visit the place that broke you yeah, and he did and he was like he has ideas.

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He wanted to lay down his tracks in the band room.

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Sean was in there.

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They get into it and you know he's like.

01:00:37.172 --> 01:00:38.878
You know, uh, let me prove.

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You know some about being better, like they're going to have who's being better, who's better, who's better, who's better, and that was the fight that was at hand.

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So they go and they start to battle and they go toe for toe.

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They go toe for toe and they stop at the same time and then Sean releases it.

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It wasn't that.

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You know, nobody messed up, nobody.

01:01:07.233 --> 01:01:10.958
You know, nobody got tied, nobody got off, none of that.

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They, literally they went toe for toe.

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It was a tie and he let him have it.

01:01:16.625 --> 01:01:16.846
Yeah.

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And that, to me, was when Sean I think for Sean and this is real, and I think you have to as leaders I mean you're not, you're not immune to this you need to get your confidence back.

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And so for Sean, that may have been his moment to remind himself I can't hang with this kid, we, I, you know.

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And for him it's like I can hang, I'm going to let him have it.

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That's a maturity that Devin didn't have and nobody was asking from Devin but from Sean, that was required of him.

01:01:48.842 --> 01:02:01.695
And he found his confidence again and he found where he could actually function as a true leader and not to um jockey for his position as the top talent and so to.

01:02:01.695 --> 01:02:03.440
To me, that was a very key moment.

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He let him have it and Devin was like he started jumping to get yeah, I'm the best, you know.

01:02:07.994 --> 01:02:16.525
And Devin was like I mean, and Sean was like yes, you are the best and you know not be the best without the line right, and so that was a leadership.

01:02:16.925 --> 01:02:24.527
It was a leadership line yeah it was a leadership when you can get to the level of like a one-liner, absolutely.

01:02:24.527 --> 01:02:28.996
You know, yeah, hit, hit him right in the heart.

01:02:28.996 --> 01:02:33.284
You know, like, when you can say stuff like that and you don't go.

01:02:33.284 --> 01:02:35.655
You know I'm past the point of a lecture.

01:02:35.655 --> 01:02:39.514
All right, I'm not, finna, sit here and lecture you, all right.

01:02:39.514 --> 01:02:44.269
Um, first of all, we too tired, we too old, I ain't, I ain't got and I ain't got the time.

01:02:44.269 --> 01:02:47.414
Okay, hit him with the one line.

01:02:47.414 --> 01:02:48.275
Okay.

01:02:48.695 --> 01:02:54.141
But I think that it was so key because he finally saw him.

01:02:54.141 --> 01:03:08.655
Yeah, he finally saw him as not a hothead or a thug, but as a kid who was really hurt and who was expressing that hurt through his position and through his music.

01:03:08.655 --> 01:03:13.298
Yes, right, like you gotta be the best because there's something you're missing.

01:03:13.298 --> 01:03:15.835
Yeah, right, and I can help.

01:03:15.835 --> 01:03:17.373
Like I can, I can help, I can help.

01:03:17.373 --> 01:03:19.003
And he finally got into a point yeah, right, and I can help, I can help you.

01:03:19.023 --> 01:03:37.902
And he finally got into a point, finally got to a point of leadership as covering, leadership, as providing opportunity and pathways towards success, leadership as collaboration, because he too had to realize he ain't know everything.

01:03:37.902 --> 01:03:38.443
That's right.

01:03:38.443 --> 01:03:50.398
And I think that's another thing that a leader has to realize that devin was indeed a better player, not just a better player, but that there was a composer on the inside of him.

01:03:50.398 --> 01:03:52.422
Because devin didn't know.

01:03:52.422 --> 01:03:57.670
And that's when you have to start thinking okay, is it a weakness or is it an opportunity?

01:03:57.670 --> 01:03:58.210
That's right.

01:03:58.210 --> 01:03:59.614
Devin can't read music.

01:03:59.614 --> 01:04:00.697
That's a fact.

01:04:00.697 --> 01:04:04.273
The boy needed to learn how to read music, like you needed to honor your craft.

01:04:04.273 --> 01:04:09.452
You needed, you needed that skill set because it's going to translate in other areas, right.

01:04:10.472 --> 01:04:41.614
But his ability, his inability to read music, allows him to create riffs and right, I played the tuba right, yeah, yeah, you know, like he didn't even realize that he was actually a composer, and but when sean unlocked that in him, when you unlock what's really in your team, you create a new relationship where you can begin to build a trust that then allows you to lead them.

01:04:41.614 --> 01:04:46.010
Nobody wants to be led, though, by somebody that can't activate something inside.

01:04:46.150 --> 01:04:58.742
That's absolutely true, that's right when he activated composer right Because now Devin now Devin is not just playing drums, he listening to tapes and putting music together.

01:04:58.742 --> 01:05:07.572
Now I mean that's kind of bananas, because he done mixed up something for the band, not for the drum line for the band.

01:05:08.034 --> 01:05:10.619
Now we're unlocking visionary.

01:05:10.619 --> 01:05:13.262
Now we're unlocking maybe, a future Dr Lee.

01:05:13.262 --> 01:05:18.579
Now we're unlocking a pathway.

01:05:18.579 --> 01:05:24.836
That Devin who said he didn't know why he came to college, he wasn't thinking about college until Dr Lee came to recruit him.

01:05:24.836 --> 01:05:29.518
Now we're looking at somebody, realize that there's more destiny in front of them.

01:05:29.518 --> 01:05:38.237
Right, but until you get to that point, the only way you can become that leader is if you are able to separate.

01:05:38.237 --> 01:05:42.474
Separate your, like you said, your insecurities.

01:05:42.474 --> 01:05:47.952
Right Are the way and your perceptions and what you're putting on the moment.

01:05:47.952 --> 01:05:53.664
Until you can separate what it is, you cannot be a leader and be needy.

01:05:53.664 --> 01:05:56.378
No, you cannot pull from the team.

01:05:56.378 --> 01:05:58.606
No, you cannot pull from the team.

01:05:58.606 --> 01:05:59.710
No, you cannot pull from the team.

01:05:59.710 --> 01:06:02.452
You cannot require that the team give you almost anything.

01:06:02.452 --> 01:06:05.360
You cannot, you cannot.

01:06:05.360 --> 01:06:10.235
And when I say that I mean emotionally no, right, they are not going to.

01:06:10.235 --> 01:06:12.315
You got to get that outside the team.

01:06:12.534 --> 01:06:12.996
That's right.

01:06:13.469 --> 01:06:14.876
You got to have some support.

01:06:14.876 --> 01:06:19.478
You know you need a, he need a girlfriend, probably, probably that's probably what I held.

01:06:19.478 --> 01:06:19.818
Yeah, he needed.

01:06:19.818 --> 01:06:23.192
He needed a friend yeah, and he wasn't even friend with the rest of the p1.

01:06:23.192 --> 01:06:23.914
He wasn't, he was.

01:06:23.914 --> 01:06:26.500
That was like man, you wrong for what you did.

01:06:26.500 --> 01:06:28.353
He good, he's strong and you know.

01:06:28.353 --> 01:06:32.230
You know like they were all mad at him until devon started throwing punches.

01:06:32.230 --> 01:06:33.913
They were like man, get your whack behind.

01:06:34.393 --> 01:06:40.003
You know anybody mean we haven't even mentioned the best line in the movie.

01:06:40.003 --> 01:06:45.081
All right, I don't know what the beef is between y'all, but you better grill it up and eat it.

01:06:45.081 --> 01:06:47.898
Child, that went platinum in my high school.

01:06:48.231 --> 01:06:49.338
We were saying that all along.

01:06:49.338 --> 01:06:51.659
That was a great line, yeah.

01:06:52.050 --> 01:07:04.521
But you know, I honestly think, until we, as leaders, one stop looking for your fulfillment to come, stop for your fulfillment as a person.

01:07:04.521 --> 01:07:11.739
You want to feel important, you want to feel, you know, worthy, you want to feel uplifted and respected.

01:07:11.739 --> 01:07:13.072
You're not going to.

01:07:13.072 --> 01:07:21.744
You may get those things I'm not saying that you won't get that but don't go in requiring it because you're going to make it about you.

01:07:21.744 --> 01:07:28.923
You're going to make it about you getting whatever emotional need is emotional need that you have.

01:07:28.923 --> 01:07:37.628
You're going to make it about you getting fulfilled instead of you fulfilling your purpose in that, in that space, instead of you fulfilling your purpose in that, in that space.

01:07:37.628 --> 01:07:45.085
And I think that's one of the most important lessons that we as leaders can learn is that you don't go to the thing that you're leading, pulling from it.

01:07:45.389 --> 01:07:53.380
No you know, and I think now that's not to say that people within your organization cannot pour back into you.

01:07:53.380 --> 01:07:57.396
Right, they should Right, that's right, but you cannot go.

01:07:57.396 --> 01:08:04.572
If you are building structures around you being served, you're not leading.

01:08:04.572 --> 01:08:07.400
You will ultimately cease leading.

01:08:07.789 --> 01:08:10.940
Yes, you will and should, because you're not ready for that.

01:08:10.940 --> 01:08:13.838
You're not ready, okay.

01:08:15.351 --> 01:08:15.811
Drumline.

01:08:17.114 --> 01:08:23.010
Drumline is a good movie you know I I, I, I feel like we have to mention morris college.

01:08:23.010 --> 01:08:28.479
You know like they, first of all, hilarious who's that?

01:08:28.479 --> 01:08:38.261
J anthony brown, absolutely hilarious, and him up against orlando, like comedy, great comedy.

01:08:38.261 --> 01:08:46.898
Okay, when they were at the, when they were at that game and you know he's playing, they did the, yeah, when they did that.

01:08:46.898 --> 01:08:50.779
And then Dr Lee was like, ah, what is this Hip hop?

01:08:50.779 --> 01:08:52.701
Right, give him a flight of the bumblebee.

01:08:52.701 --> 01:08:54.436
You know, flight of the bumblebee.

01:08:54.436 --> 01:08:56.912
And the crowd is not moving.

01:08:56.953 --> 01:09:22.189
You know, I just think you know, without the conflict of the movie, you know, and without navigating these, these high tense moments, these high impact moments, and allowing everybody in the band had to change because Devin, when Devin changed, he became the change agent that allowed Dr Lee to move the vision forward.

01:09:22.189 --> 01:09:29.462
Because we were stuck at Earth, wind and Fire and you can't take that to the BET classic like, do you watch 106 and Park at all?

01:09:29.462 --> 01:09:31.815
Also, shout out to Free and AJ.

01:09:31.815 --> 01:09:38.498
Okay, I don't know what y'all grew up on, okay, but that those were our people, okay.

01:09:38.774 --> 01:09:39.608
That's 100% our people.

01:09:39.627 --> 01:09:41.595
Yeah, those were our people, right.

01:09:41.595 --> 01:09:43.465
Free and AJ was it right.

01:09:43.465 --> 01:09:49.837
But you cannot go to the BET Classics with Earth, wind, fire when we watching 106 and Park every night, correct?

01:09:50.434 --> 01:09:50.676
Correct.

01:09:50.695 --> 01:10:02.278
You know, and so Devin fueled, he fueled the, the band getting over the hump, um, but he couldn't do that without Sean.

01:10:03.070 --> 01:10:03.975
No, he couldn't do it without.

01:10:03.994 --> 01:10:04.376
Sean yeah.

01:10:04.757 --> 01:10:10.881
Yeah, and Dr Lee could not have moved, could not have done what he did without both of them.

01:10:11.422 --> 01:10:11.622
Yeah.

01:10:12.030 --> 01:10:14.550
You know, um it really it, it, it works together.

01:10:14.550 --> 01:10:16.015
I mean the conflict is so key.

01:10:16.015 --> 01:10:18.230
Um, yeah, everyone came out better.

01:10:18.230 --> 01:10:18.153
It did it.

01:10:18.153 --> 01:10:18.381
Really it works together.

01:10:18.381 --> 01:10:20.872
I mean the conflict is so key, yeah everyone came out better it did.

01:10:20.872 --> 01:10:21.817
Everyone came out better.

01:10:21.817 --> 01:10:26.090
Look that the BET classic scene is classic.

01:10:26.109 --> 01:10:31.074
First of all, I would also like to say Petey Pablo, on the field, I was like what.

01:10:31.074 --> 01:10:34.260
I didn't even think their set was that good.

01:10:34.260 --> 01:10:34.880
I didn't either.

01:10:35.083 --> 01:10:37.042
It wasn't it was dark, we can't even see what they doing that good, I didn't either.

01:10:37.042 --> 01:10:39.536
It was like it was dark, we can't even see what they doing.

01:10:39.536 --> 01:10:45.438
Yeah, and he was out there and it was just that, and I don't think it was a tie, to be fair.

01:10:45.478 --> 01:10:52.175
I mean, it wasn't, it wasn't it wasn't, but the the drum line part at the end was was fantastic, oh, excellent.

01:10:52.175 --> 01:10:53.416
Shout out to the female drummers.

01:10:53.416 --> 01:10:56.399
I understand, as a female tuba player, you know what I'm saying.

01:10:56.399 --> 01:10:58.922
Okay, we hold it down.

01:10:58.922 --> 01:11:00.864
All right, one love.

01:11:00.864 --> 01:11:04.729
Shout out to all my band people, all right Y'all know what it is.

01:11:05.011 --> 01:11:06.216
Shout out to the band people man.

01:11:06.310 --> 01:11:07.413
Shout out to the band people.

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We love y'all, all right y'all.

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