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hello everybody and welcome once again to the unlearned podcast.
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I'm your host, ruth abigail aka ra what's up, friends?
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It's your girl, jaquita this is the podcast that's helping you gain the courage to change your mind so that you can experience more freedom.
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And we're back we are back friends.
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We just finished our millennials in crisis series, so that was heavy.
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We came at y'all heavy, you know listen, so we gonna lighten it up a little bit that crisis stuff before the storm.
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Yeah, doing the storm after the storm, you know so.
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But hopefully, you know there was a lot of good tips in there, so hopefully, listen.
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Hopefully you know.
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I feel like it was an important, important thing to get out.
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You know what I mean.
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Before we listen roll into the summertime right with everything going on.
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Listen, listen, y'all.
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Put it in your back pocket.
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Yeah, okay, put it in your back pocket because we don't know what's coming.
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Yeah, I mean.
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so we did that, and now we're rolling into summer, Summer summer, summertime, summertime, summertime.
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Yeah, hey, yes, yeah, okay was Ruth was sitting there for a moment debating if she was gonna say something about my singing.
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No, that's what just happened.
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I really was.
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That's what just happened.
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She was just like what did I tell you about singing on air at this time?
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it's not true, because I actually I actually was sitting there like am I gonna join in?
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Because I actually.
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I actually was sitting there like am I going to join in because I really don't know what she's doing and also.
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So, yeah, okay how did you not know what I was doing?
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what kind of millennial are you?
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I know I just put myself on blast.
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Look, I'm not saying I'm the best millennial.
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I definitely missed some things.
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Okay, we can talk about that another day, another time me and Ruth Abigail had different upbringings.
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Okay, um, and that's what makes us work, anywho so what are we doing?
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what we're talking about?
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listen, friends.
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Okay, so this new summertime series.
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Okay, we thought we would lighten it up a little bit for y'all and we're going to be breaking down some of our favorite movies from different genres, and not just the movies that we love, but the movies that we really had to unlearn, okay, um, so today is a cult classic, classic classic, if you know.
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You know, all right, it's on everybody's black card list.
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Like, if you ain't watched this one, that's fine.
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You indeed still have your black card.
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Can you still be part of the culture, be part of the, the community?
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Okay, we're talking about one of my faves.
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So before you do it though I'm sorry, I mean a lot I didn't want to do it because I want to.
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You know, we had talked about doing this little intro and I wanted to.
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Oh my gosh.
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Oh my gosh, I really thought you forgot.
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I didn't want to do it because we had talked about doing this little intro.
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Oh my gosh, I really thought you forgot, I didn't.
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I had to pull it up Before she says it.
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Y'all this is so close to Jaquita's heart.
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She decided, as a full-grown 28-year-old, to write an essay on the movie.
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I'm going to read an excerpt Okay, this essay.
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Wait a minute.
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Wait a minute, cause I need to.
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I feel like I should provide some context.
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Nevermind, that'll make it worse.
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That'll make it worse, just just read it.
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So I'm going to read a little bit and then I'm going to end it.
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So I'm not reading in in in order, I'm just going to read a couple of lines and I'm going to end it on my favorite line.
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Okay, here we go.
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All right, this movie is not about two people who live next door that fall in love.
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This movie is about options.
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It's the choices we have to make and who we are, about who we are and what we want.
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A lot of us don't want what our parents had, even if they actually had something good.
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We grew up with so many judgments about what's right and wrong and most of those times they don't get corrected until we have to live it out.
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Now.
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This is my favorite line.
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Quincy was fully active on the court and in the love arena Seen through the first half of the film.
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With many girls, quincy had no sacrifices to make.
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He could have love and basketball.
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I really hate you so much right now.
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I really, really.
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I'm sorry.
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I don't like using the word hate, but I greatly dislike you in this moment.
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First of all, all it wasn't until we were preparing for this episode that I knew that this existed.
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And when I tell you the joy and my spirit that happened to know that, that this jewel of an essay was out there in the world, I was like we're gonna give people some of this essay, you know, let me um, listen, unlearned family.
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Okay, you gotta know how much I love you.
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Okay, you gotta know how much I value this community, that I would even offer up you know, this thing that probably me and maybe two other people knew about Okay, it was, it was not.
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It was not supposed to be a public thing, but here we are.
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Listen, everybody.
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We're talking today about the one, the only, loving basketball.
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Okay, loving basketball, one of the best soundtracks out there.
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I just rewatched it it I was like yo, they got some good music on here yo banging soundtrack, listen.
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So now latham omar epps came in, did their thing for the culture.
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You know.
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Now, listen, growing up we all loved this movie.
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Okay, I never remember hearing anything negative about love and basketball growing up.
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You know, all I remember is I was like I just, you know, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta play a man for his heart.
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You know, but when we, you know it's been, you know, if you, if you, are on the interwebs at all, if you're on Instagram, people have gone back, all right, they have reviewed the lessons, the themes of the movie and I feel like we as a culture have unlearned this entire movie Absolutely.
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And I do think, you know, we have to give it some credit, though, you know, for the time period that it was written in and for the things that we thought at the moment.
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You know, listen, still a great movie.
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Y'all not finna, take my movie out the queue, you know what I'm saying.
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Like, I'm still gonna watch it.
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The movie was great.
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The movie was great.
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Yeah, very toxic, very toxic, just want to be clear.
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It was very toxic.
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Just want to be clear it was toxic for a mature person.
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Now you know, I'm saying like, I feel like and I'm not, let me.
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Let me, let me clean that up a bit, not saying that it wasn't toxic, but like in your it, like in in a, in a less mature mindset you, it can, you, you it's like.
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No, like you, you can.
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You could probably identify with a lot of those feelings pretty close you know what.
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I'm saying, like you know there's a lot of, and so I think I think that, as cause, we grew up with it, so we saw it, we were teenagers or you know like, so we, we, we were kind of in that, in that mode.
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However, once you start to live life a little bit and realize it didn't really work that way and like, understand the nuances of you know life and relationships and all this stuff, but you might have to I think we had to grow up a little bit to get it Like in the moment it didn't feel.
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It felt closer to home.
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But you get, you know mature.
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And I think we also have to acknowledge that we, just as people, as a community, have learned so much more about relationships, right, you know, the relationships that we're trying to build today are not the relationships that our grandparents had.
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It's not the relationships that our parents' generations had.
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Every generation has added to the wisdom of what it takes to be in a great relationship, in a great loving relationship, and so we really can't go back and pull movies from 20, 25 years ago and fault them for how they portrayed relationships, because I think one thing that I think we'll talk about as we go through this series is that oftentimes, the art that's expressed is an expression of what's in the culture at that time period, right, and so it's almost like you opened up a time capsule and you're upset that it don't look like the day and it's like listen, no, you know that that was a reflection audience, though it's for a particular audience, is for a young like that was marketed to us who were young.
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It ain't marketed to us.
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That movie was not marketed toward us at the time we were in.
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Just to be clear, that movie was marketed toward the 20 year olds of the day Of that time period.
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When did it come out?
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We middle adults, but we ain't that old.
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It came out when 2000?
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2000.
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Okay, we were in 8th grade.
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So what I'm saying is it wasn't marketed for us.
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No, those types of movies were marketed for.
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They're marketed for us.
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No, those types of movies those movies were marketed for.
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They're marketed for teenagers.
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Those types of movies were marketed for, like, we were in that age group.
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It was not.
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We watched it and they they're saying like, even if like yeah, like okay, teenage, and maybe like 21, 22.
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Like it wasn't, it wasn't supposed to be much further than that.
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Isn't that kind of nefarious, though, like when you think about them making these movies with, you know, 13 and 14 year olds in mind.
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That's what they did, yeah, like we were being groomed, but anyways, it's the industry.
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Nevertheless, you know, hey, middle adults with, go go check what your kids is watching, okay, cause the media is trying to groom them.
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Okay, and we don't love and basketball jacked up my whole relationship history Okay, which we'll talk about in a minute.
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But you know, really, really pay attention to what they're watching, cause we were definitely 13 watching this, that's my point.
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I think that the, the mindset of the, of the, of the, the market and the crowd that was watching this would have seen it as something to aspire to, because you were in a mindset where you wouldn't have known anything better.
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And so now that we've grown up and lived a little life and gotten more mature, we look back and it's like, oh no, that was crazy, and that you know, and other movies that came out, but, like you know, so I just think to your point, we got to give it, give it credit for what it's due, for what it's due, but also recognize that most of us that are doing the criticizing were the ones that was marketed to in an immature state.
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Yeah, now we've grown and we see differently.
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Yeah, and it's literally something that we lived out and we was like, oh, that was trash, and a lot of our stories did not end up like Monica and Quincy and won't, Okay, and that's what.
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That's what I think.
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That's why people are mad now, Cause they looking at their life and they're like I went, I stood by that man from 20 years ago, you know, derailed my whole future trying to get him and it didn't work out Like Monica got her man.
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You know, Monica McCall.
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What was her name?
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I don't remember, but yes, Anyways, his name was Quincy McCall.
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She got her man and her career and her child.
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She got the whole package off of some tomfoolery, but anyways, we'll get there, we'll get there, we'll get there.
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But I do think we can start.
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So if you haven't seen the movie because, let's face it, there's some people out here who have not seen the movie that's okay.
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And the movie, because, let's face it, there's some people out here who have not seen the movie.
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That's okay.
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Well, you haven't seen and I want you to.
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I want you.
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If you have not seen this movie, I'd love for you to dm me.
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I'd like to have a one-on-one conversation with you, uh, to figure out, you know, wait, what else you miss.
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We are not we are not here to judge your queen.
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If the people didn't see the movie, they didn't see the movie, so sorry y'all.
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This is one of my faves, so we.
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So the movie's broken up.
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It is about it is about love and basketball.
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It is about a couple, um uh, who grow up.
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Well, it's about a couple.
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They eventually become a couple that start off as best friends, neighbors, as kids.
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They grew up together.
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They both played, they were frenemies, they were, you know, they were very competitive.
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They both play basketball.
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Um, in this case, the girl was like more passionate about basketball than than the boy.
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Girl's name is monica, boy's name is quincy, and so they were in a uh.
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No, I'm sorry, you threw me off at your face, you wanted to.
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You don't think she was more passionate it uh, come back to me what okay, I, I just would not have termed it like that.
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I think I mean we can talk about in the in the first first one.
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I don't know, I just I that's not how I would have described it.
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I think that's something that he discovered later.
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I don't think that that's how I, that's not how I would have described it.
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I think that's something that he discovered later.
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I don't think that that's how we entered into the movie with with him, less passionate than her about basketball.
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She, just her identity was so wrapped up in it.
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But anyways, that's why I didn't want to say nothing, cause it's you know all right.
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So so you have two people and two, two kids, and they're very, um, they love basketball, they're really competitive, they are, um, kind of you know, frenemies and they grew up together, and so the movie is actually broken up, broken up into four different quarters, all right.
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So it kind of goes through their life, from kids to adults, and tracks their relationships individually and together.
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So what we're going to do is we're going to each take one of those quarters, talk a little bit about, like you know, what happens in it, and then pull out the thing that we think is important to unlearn from each one of those.
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And so we're going to start with quarter one, right, and I think and quinta kind of you alluded to it, um, when you were saying, when you alluded to her in your earlier comments like this idea of she had she, she ended up getting it all right.
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It was like you got, you know, you got the man, you got your dream, you got your baby, you got everything.
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And throughout the entire movie, starting from the beginning, there was this tension with I, I want the.
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You know, I want to play ball, I want the career, I want the.
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I'm a baller, you know, I'm a.
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She said that so many times.
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Right, yeah, it's like I I'm doing, like I want to do that.
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And there was also this, this tension with growing up with a mom who was very much the opposite of that right and so she's grown up in a house where she has these dreams, but they're not supported by her mother figure, who would rather her wear dresses and, you know, put on makeup and do all.
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Do be more girly and like her older sister, like her older sister, right.
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So I think that, um and I say this, I can identify, I could identify very, very much with this character take your time here I was not interested at all in any and like any of the stuff that my mom wanted me to be interested in.
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Just like monica, I wanted to play sports.
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I wanted to wear shorts, t-shirts.
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I want to.
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I wanted to do what the boys did.
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I just felt like they had it easier and I didn't have to work as hard and I could have more fun, and I just didn't understand why I had to do this other stuff Right, and so I had tension with my mom in that, I mean, there was a, there was a moment we I think there was some dance and I needed a dress and we went to the store to get one and we both walked out the store crying because we just could not get it together.
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I was upset about what I had to wear.
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She didn't want, she didn't like that.
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I was upset, she was mad about all this.
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So it was just a whole thing.
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So I totally get where this character was coming from and I also think that one of the most important things that we have that I had to unlearn.
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It was like I grew up thinking it had to be either or right and I had to either follow my dream, if you, if you will like, as a child, right Doing the things I want to do, um doing the activities I wanted to do, or I had to do what my mom wanted me to do.
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Right, which was something.
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I didn't really want to be yeah, so it's.
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It was hard, but I think the thing that, as I grew up and understood, is that, no, like it's not an either or it's a both, and like there is a, there is a Ruth Abigail that exists in all of this, in all of this world.
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Right, it's, it doesn't have, you, don't have to choose, um, and so I just have to find myself in it, and I think that the movie it tracks that right with her is finding her full self and understanding it doesn't have to be either, or I could be my full self, and it it shows a pretty picture of the end of that story, although it is not that simple, right yeah and so we can get there when we get there.
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But I think that's one of the things we have, that that that we can unlearn from that is like it's not an either or situation.
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Like you're, you're who you are, is who you are, and that's gonna look different in different seasons.
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Uh, because with different roles in your life, different passions come to play, and so you know it's not, it's not, it's not a thing we have to pick.
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I have to be this.
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No you don't like you're.
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You're more complex than that but I think, you know, the movie spends so much of kind of like that first quarter of the movie, like, really like, laying out the different gender roles and representations that are there.
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And like you know, like you have, like you know, her mom, who's cute and prissy and ironing clothes and all she's always she's usually in the kitchen in the movie or got something in her hands that she's doing.
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You know, like her dad specifically, yes, like, and so it is very much a I serve your father.
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You know, I, I, I'm trying to raise y'all up to be this type of woman.
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And then you have Quincy's mom, who did the fake and bake.
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You know, like I'm just gonna go buy me a cake and I'm, you know, living a little posh over here with my big ball of husband.
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You know, in the beginning of the movie we'll get to the rest.
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I know y'all that know the movie like we getting there Right, and so you know, like there's just this display of what does it mean to be a woman, like, what does it mean to be feminine, and I think that for me, growing up, that was definitely something that I had to unlearn because I was five, 11.
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Luckily I had, I had all male friends, um, and from eighth grade and up I was surrounded by guys.
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Luckily they hit growth spurts, because I was really worried.
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In the eighth grade I was like all right, I'm 5'10 and y'all are like 5'6, please.
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And then one summer, one summer, they shot up and I was like we're going to be all right, we're going to be okay.
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But you know I struggle with words.
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Like you know, don't be intimidating and you know, don't be overbearing and don't have too much personality.
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Because in my mind, being feminine meant being hidden, it meant being small and it meant being just kind of like squished down, like a squished down version of myself.
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And I think the thing that Monica learned, that I had to also learn, was that I could be all of the different pieces of myself and still be great at my great thing.
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You know she felt like she had in order to be a ball player.
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I'm a ball player, she says that so many times in the movie.
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So it's like girl chill, girl chill, chillax, you know.
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But even also when we were in high school, like you know, like you kind of get sequestered into like certain little sex.
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Yeah, like you know, sex x, e, c, t, s, we got it okay, I really felt like I needed to.
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It's okay, spell that out for the saints, but you know like you got like your athletes you you got your band people, you got your nerds, you got your.
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You know the people who just kind of hang out in the hall.
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You know like you have just different groups of people and so learning how to be identified outside of a group I think are outside of like this prescribed identity, I think it's something that we all have to unlearn.
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That's a lot of times, not just your family or the people closest to you, but society will put on you.
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You know, and I think that's it's something that, like you said, we all go through and we do have to you grow it.
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You have a choice you can grow deeper into that kind of singularity or you can grow and learn more about who you are and kind of grow beyond that um yeah, and so I think, I think, I think, yeah, yeah, all right all right, I'm gonna transition to the next one by kind of pulling a theme from the beginning that goes into the second one.
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Sorry, I'm adding something real quick, but I think that aesthetics is such a huge part of this movie, like the way that we look, you know it was the way her hair was done, or the way what she was wearing, or how she showed up.
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That was really like, oh, you know, you know you don't dress up like.
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You know Gabrielle Union's character or you know you're not, you know putting yourself out there in a certain way.
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And I think that when we get by the time we get to the second quarter, like that is something that like she's really like kind of battling with like her hair, yeah Right, like she's a ball I'm a ball player, you know she's a ball player.
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So you know she got the corner, she got a straight back.
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Like she's like hey, lena, put them straight backs in.
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You know I got the.